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Vetteman94 said:
Demotruk said:
Vetteman94 said:
Demotruk said:
Vetteman94 said:

Didnt Sony themselves say that they expect PS Move to be a slow burner?   And yet you people are dissappointed in the opening sales despite it doing basically what Sony predicted.  


Yes, and I've been mocking that line ever since. It was just spin when they realized they had failed to generate pre-launch hype.

Ah of course,  because you know better than Sony?

Because it's obvious. You didn't hear any "slow burner" PR until just a few weeks before launch. What else should you say when it's becoming clear it's gonna have a slow start? This is the same company that said that PSP Go was selling ahead of expectations..

Well they were comparing to another one of their pereipherals, the Eyetoy,  which was also a slow burner as well.  So I guess it wasnt completely obvious.  

At the time the made that statement about the PSP Go it probably was selling ahead of expectations,  which was over a year ago.


Eyetoy Play actually sold a lot faster, it was at the top of the UK charts for the first few weeks (not dropping below spot 3). Sports Champions is down to 18th already. Eyetoy Play hit a million in the EU alone in three months, something that looks very unlikely at this point for Sports Champions or the Move controller.

 

PSP Go was a flop from the start, there's no way it was selling above expectations as it didn't even get a second shipment in Japan for example.



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Demotruk said:
Vetteman94 said:
Demotruk said:
Vetteman94 said:
Demotruk said:
Vetteman94 said:

Didnt Sony themselves say that they expect PS Move to be a slow burner?   And yet you people are dissappointed in the opening sales despite it doing basically what Sony predicted.  


Yes, and I've been mocking that line ever since. It was just spin when they realized they had failed to generate pre-launch hype.

Ah of course,  because you know better than Sony?

Because it's obvious. You didn't hear any "slow burner" PR until just a few weeks before launch. What else should you say when it's becoming clear it's gonna have a slow start? This is the same company that said that PSP Go was selling ahead of expectations..

Well they were comparing to another one of their pereipherals, the Eyetoy,  which was also a slow burner as well.  So I guess it wasnt completely obvious.  

At the time the made that statement about the PSP Go it probably was selling ahead of expectations,  which was over a year ago.


Eyetoy Play actually sold a lot faster, it was at the top of the UK charts for the first few weeks (not dropping below spot 3). Sports Champions is down to 18th already. Eyetoy Play hit a million in the EU alone in three months, something that looks very unlikely at this point for Sports Champions or the Move controller.

 

PSP Go was a flop from the start, there's no way it was selling above expectations as it didn't even get a second shipment in Japan for example.


i think you forgot about limited move stock, alot of places in the us are sold  out right now... plus like they say it's hard to track move and even im betting my estimation is under the real sales amount!!



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jneul said:
Joelcool7 said:
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i'm not going to lie, half a million is pretty disappointing numbers.  i was really hoping this thing would take off.


no its not, half a million in like 2-3 weeks is great for an controller. how many PS3 controllers are sold a week(not including the ones that come with the system) 

it will reach past one million soon which is great numbers for the controller 


Yes but Sony talked about Move as more then just a peripheral they said it was like a new platform. As a new platform 500k is pretty dissapointing, if Sony wants people to buy PSMove over Wii's they have to sell more then 500k launch month. They need at least a mill by the end of the first month and more after that.

I'd say if this thing hasn't sold 10-million units by spring 2012 then this is a failed product at least in terms of it being a new platform. Now if you want to lower your expectations to that of just another peripheral then 500k is pretty good. But I don't think Sony intended on it being just another peripheral, they wanted it to be in Pachter's words a WiiHD and that people would move over from the Wii to PS3.


no 500k for a new platform that next to no-one knows about is good, i'm getting fed up of this kind of rubbish, and nice way to set an impossible target for move that you know it most likely wont hit, just so you can call it a failure

What else are you supposed to call a platform that fails to outsell DreamCast.

New platform that no one knows about? No offence but where I live I saw about five Move commercials in an hour. They are all over the television. Then I went into Best Buy and FutureShop and the Move is advertised all over the stores. EBGames won't stop talking about how as a Wii owner I should buy Move. Michael Pachter said Move is WiiHD and told his investors it will replace Nintendo's Wii.

Infact I'd say Move is advertised way more the Wii ever has been, Kevin Butler won't stop slinging mud and his ads are everywhere. I even saw an aid near a train station. Now how is that a platform nobody knows about?

thanks for the comparison move is nothing like the dreamcast, and to be honest you may have seen 5 move ad's but over here i have only seen 1 in three weeks, so obviously move is not being marketed the same everywhere, strange huh, not to mention there will be a huge preconception about move being a wiimote, until people play on it, i already converted 2 people i know to move, next step my kids friends.

fact is it will take time for move to sell, even sony expected  a slow burner, and expect it to rocket by a year's time, you cannot call it a failure unless they discontinue it..

edit: btw this analyst disagrees with you http://www.industrygamers.com/news/ps3s-move-off-to-a-good-start-says-analyst/


Well honestly if it doesn't outsell the DreamCast then it is just like the DreamCast. Also as for Sony predicting a slow burner, Sony announced when they first unvieled Move that this thing was the future and like a whole new platform. It wasn't until a few weeks ago that Sony changed their position.

Plus so what an analyst disagrees with me, thats not really worth anything since the industries top analysts said Wii would fail and told investors to invest in Sony stalks because PS3 was going to sell like hot cakes. Michael Pachter a way more respected analyst then the one you linked too said that WiiHD has supposed to come the last three years.

I'd argue I'm just as good at analyzing then most analysts I've read up on. This is the launch month and under a million units is just not acceptable. Also note your analyst had alot of good to say about Kinect. What happens when Kinect launches what happens to Move? What happens when Nintendo announces their next console at E3 next year?

I think Move will probubly shift about 5-8 mill in its life span, if Sony is lucky and that is short of DreamCast. Next time you choose someone to prove me wrong don't pick a 2-bit analyst use an actual industry professional who works for a retailer. If say GameStop's CEO says he expects Move to sell I'll listen to him alot sooner then some analyst!



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Vetteman94 said:

Didnt Sony themselves say that they expect PS Move to be a slow burner?   And yet you people are dissappointed in the opening sales despite it doing basically what Sony predicted.  


It's also sold out most places. Even here in Denmark.. Where frankly, things barely ever gets sold out. Wiifit was sold out for about a week.

Sure this does mean they don't reach demands, but it also means they have a hard time doing better numbers than they currently are.

 

(ps. Quoted you because I agree with your statement.)



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Here in greece in one of the biggest retailers there is no stock...its sold out....so i believe demand is strong across europe



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Well honestly if it doesn't outsell the DreamCast then it is just like the DreamCast. Also as for Sony predicting a slow burner, Sony announced when they first unvieled Move that this thing was the future and like a whole new platform. It wasn't until a few weeks ago that Sony changed their position.

Plus so what an analyst disagrees with me, thats not really worth anything since the industries top analysts said Wii would fail and told investors to invest in Sony stalks because PS3 was going to sell like hot cakes. Michael Pachter a way more respected analyst then the one you linked too said that WiiHD has supposed to come the last three years.

I'd argue I'm just as good at analyzing then most analysts I've read up on. This is the launch month and under a million units is just not acceptable. Also note your analyst had alot of good to say about Kinect. What happens when Kinect launches what happens to Move? What happens when Nintendo announces their next console at E3 next year?

I think Move will probubly shift about 5-8 mill in its life span, if Sony is lucky and that is short of DreamCast. Next time you choose someone to prove me wrong don't pick a 2-bit analyst use an actual industry professional who works for a retailer. If say GameStop's CEO says he expects Move to sell I'll listen to him alot sooner then some analyst!

You can't even begin to say whether the Move is a hit or a failure until after the holiday season is over. And the reason they stated Move will be a slow burner is because it will get stigmatized by a lot of people as a Wii rip off and in their mind they will limit it to what the Wii can do. It will take some time for a lot of people to realize what a great product it is(or atleast give it a chance), as opposed to Kinect which they just say it doesn't use controllers and people's imagination of what it can do is limitless because there is no console like that yet. It's a great marketing strategy built right in. But the Move has the same problem with all the touch screen devices now days, no matter how great they are people think it's an Iphone/Ipad rip off and that they can't do anything the Iphone/Ipad can't do. And saying it will start slow and take time to build up sales is not changing it's stance from being a whole new platform for the future. I don't know how you came to that conclusion. 

Sony has also stated that their marketing budget wont be as big as Microsoft's which doesn't help initial sales. And Japan, which is about 15% of Sony's userbase, has yet to see the Move released, which also hurts inital sales. I wouldn't know how many "moves" have been sold yet or even what would be the best way to track it(maybe track how many Cameras and bundles including cameras are sold?). But I'd think atleast 30% of PS3 owners would eventually buy the Move. I mean Sony is putting a lot of their favorite franchises in the Move line up and it will tempt a lot of PS3 owners to try it over time as those games release if they haven't already. 

Also there is a difference between Sony stating something, and the public treating it as so. Sony may look at the Move as almost like a new console but to a lot of the public they will just think it's a new accessory or controller. When a new console (ala Dreamcast) is released most of that confusion is not there. Unlike all of us here, a large majority of the public doesn't scour the internet for information about gaming. If a normal person asks a normal person what is the playstation Move they will probably say it's like a Wii controller but for the Playstation. That is a boundary that will take some time to overcome. Definitely a lot longer than 3 weeks, which you have seemed to give it. 

Note: It's stock not stalk and ad not aid.



man too many people have high expectations

since the PS-PS2 any console that doesn't sell 100 million is a fail, game doesn't sell like MW2 failure, thing doesn't sell million failure.

Nothing is a failure if it doesn't make profit

you have absoluting no clue how much sony has made off the controller.

Lets say the Move costed around 250 million in RND, devolopment some advertising.

and they make lets say 30 dollars off each controller and 20 off each camera

so they have sold around 750,000 controllers (could be more or less), that is around 22 500 000 they would of sold around 500,000 cameras so thats 10,000,000. so thats around 32.5 million in around 3 weeks. 

so in order to to make a profit they would have to sell 5 million units. Now remember these are rough estimates and i have no clue. So according to my estimates if it doesn't sell 5 million when its  finished which is like 5 years but could be much more if carried over by the PS4 then it would reach 5 million easy and not be a failure. 

So those are rough possibility very wrong estimates but you cant call it a fail 3 weeks In, and its not until it starts making a profit you can call it a success. 

Who knows the kinect could sell 20 million but if the development  was very high they might not make a profit and hence be a failure



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