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Wii 'could be in trouble' post-Christmas - Iwata

Wii will continue to be s... 69 17.97%
 
It's true Wii has peaked 193 50.26%
 
Let's hope not 25 6.51%
 
Wii will be on the market for years to come 33 8.59%
 
We need Super Wii 64 16.67%
 
Total:384
Cheebee said:
axt113 said:
Cheebee said:
axt113 said:
theRepublic said:
axt113 said:

Galaxy 2 sold less than Galaxy one, was not a system seller and sold far, far less than NSMB, that's a flop

Really?  So Nintendo should do nothing to maintain diversity in its library or cater to massive niches within its fanbase?  Sounds like a great business strategy you got there.


Massive Niches, lol, what massive niche was activated by Galaxy?  NSMB Wii got that Niche and more.

 

Face i, games like Galaxy, Other M and Skyward are wastes , so yeah, my business strategy would have not only resulted in more sales, but would have kept momentum going

You're hilarious. XD


No I'm right, just look at the sales, and hardware pushing ability of the games

No, you're wrong, and a lot of other people in this thread have already tried to sensibly explain to you why that is. I'm not going to bother anymore if you just don't want to see logic. If you honestly do not understand a console needs as broad a library as possible, instead of limiting itself to a specific type of game you're beyond help.

In your world, 360 would have just Halo and GTA, and PS3 just GTA and, well, GT5, maybe. Nothing else, 'cos that wouldn't sell consoles.

Once again, you're hilarious. XD


No you're still wrong, a console maker doesn't need to have a wide library, they can focus on games that sell hardware, third parties exist for a reason let them focus on the games that don;t push hardware, I'm afraid you have no understanding of the VG business, and the fact is, your plan has been shown as flawed and a failure, resltng in wastes of resources and lost momentum



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Cheebee said:

Yes, I get that. But he literally called such titles (including Galaxy, which happens to be a near-10-million-seller, how many games can claim that?) 'wastes'.

Also, he's claiming SS is a waste, a title we know hardly anything about and which may not release for another year. How awkward is that, especially considering TP, its predecessor, is one of the best-selling Zelda games ever, and was without a shred of doubt a system seller when Wii launched. And you and I both know there are a LOT of people clamouring for a new console Zelda, let alone a 1:1 motion controlled one.

So, in conclusion, those things do indeed make him wrong. And very much so.



Wrong, they are wastes, wastes are uses of resources that don;t add any value, thanks for proving my point that you have no understanding of the business.

 

If the games didn;t push hardware, then they didn;t add value, because consumers didn;t consider them a reason to buy the system, hence they are wastes

Skyward sword will not push console sales at all, so once again I will be right, and you wrong, just wait and see.

 

I find it funny people keep saying that I'm wrong, but no one has given me a reason why, except they like the games, but the fact is, they would have bought the system even without those games, so that argument is flawed



axt113 said:
Cheebee said:

Yes, I get that. But he literally called such titles (including Galaxy, which happens to be a near-10-million-seller, how many games can claim that?) 'wastes'.

Also, he's claiming SS is a waste, a title we know hardly anything about and which may not release for another year. How awkward is that, especially considering TP, its predecessor, is one of the best-selling Zelda games ever, and was without a shred of doubt a system seller when Wii launched. And you and I both know there are a LOT of people clamouring for a new console Zelda, let alone a 1:1 motion controlled one.

So, in conclusion, those things do indeed make him wrong. And very much so.

 


Wrong, they are wastes, wastes are uses of resources that don;t add any value, thanks for proving my point that you have no understanding of the business.

 

If the games didn;t push hardware, then they didn;t add value, because consumers didn;t consider them a reason to buy the system, hence they are wastes

Skyward sword will not push console sales at all, so once again I will be right, and you wrong, just wait and see.

 

I find it funny people keep saying that I'm wrong, but no one has given me a reason why, except they like the games, but the fact is, they would have bought the system even without those games, so that argument is flawed


Why wouldn't Nintendo want to appeal to it's longtime fan base as well as the expanded audience? It would do more damage to them in the long run to not try to attract as many customers as possible.  



oni-link said:

LOL...this is funny cuz no matter what happens none of the HD systems will ever catch up to the Wii!!!  By the time they even come close it's already time to release a new system.  Mark my words 2012 or bust all console makers will release or be close to releasing a new system.   Maybe 2014, for Sony as the PS3 has left a nasty gash on them that will take some IF EVER to heal!!! (PS3 is the BIGGEST FAILURE THIS GENERATION the real winners are Nintendo and Microsoft)

 

As if the ultimate damage control wasn't enough, you had to go ahead and troll Sony/PS3 too.

Congrats!



                            

2011 and forward i think Wii will drop to 3rd place in new consoles sold, it will still stay on top cause of all the consoles already sold though. However with 3DS and games that sell Nintendo is still gonna be strong. A wise move imo would be for Nintendo to launch their next home console at the end of next year.



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Wii is dooomed since 2006...

Did I said right? :/

IMO Wii has now only one option: wait and see if DKCR, KIrby, Golden Eye and Epic Mickey (along with Wii Party) push hw sales. And for 2011 Pikmin 3, SS, TLS and maybe Wii Relax (Wii VItality Sensor). But 3DS will finish the Wii life, and then Nintendo surely cut the price or made more interesting bundles. :/



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axt113 said:
Cheebee said:
axt113 said:
Cheebee said:
axt113 said:
theRepublic said:
axt113 said:

Galaxy 2 sold less than Galaxy one, was not a system seller and sold far, far less than NSMB, that's a flop

Really?  So Nintendo should do nothing to maintain diversity in its library or cater to massive niches within its fanbase?  Sounds like a great business strategy you got there.


Massive Niches, lol, what massive niche was activated by Galaxy?  NSMB Wii got that Niche and more.

 

Face i, games like Galaxy, Other M and Skyward are wastes , so yeah, my business strategy would have not only resulted in more sales, but would have kept momentum going

You're hilarious. XD


No I'm right, just look at the sales, and hardware pushing ability of the games

No, you're wrong, and a lot of other people in this thread have already tried to sensibly explain to you why that is. I'm not going to bother anymore if you just don't want to see logic. If you honestly do not understand a console needs as broad a library as possible, instead of limiting itself to a specific type of game you're beyond help.

In your world, 360 would have just Halo and GTA, and PS3 just GTA and, well, GT5, maybe. Nothing else, 'cos that wouldn't sell consoles.

Once again, you're hilarious. XD


No you're still wrong, a console maker doesn't need to have a wide library, they can focus on games that sell hardware, third parties exist for a reason let them focus on the games that don;t push hardware, I'm afraid you have no understanding of the VG business, and the fact is, your plan has been shown as flawed and a failure, resltng in wastes of resources and lost momentum

Yes. We can let third parties give wii a wide library. We all know how great they've been to the wii so far. Over 5 years they've released literaly dozen of good games.



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axt113 said:

No you're still wrong, a console maker doesn't need to have a wide library, they can focus on games that sell hardware, third parties exist for a reason let them focus on the games that don;t push hardware, I'm afraid you have no understanding of the VG business, and the fact is, your plan has been shown as flawed and a failure, resltng in wastes of resources and lost momentum

What is a system seller?  A game that appeals to people who have not yet bought the console so much that they buy the console.

Why haven't those people bought the system yet?  Because the games do not appeal to them.

Solution?  Make games with different appeal.  Different.  Diversity.

You can't make the same types of games over and over expecting the same results.  You will only see diminishing returns.

But that is not to say that the goal of every game should be to grow your base.  If you never follow up with similar games to your system sellers, you will not have happy customers.  Why should they buy your future consoles if you can't deliver?  The very goal of some games is to satisfy existing consumers.  Some games exist just to test an idea in the market place (This can go horribly wrong if handled incorrectly, but that is a different topic).

As a business, there is also such a thing as efficient use of your resources and maximizing profit.  Keeping teams busy, putting your people in positions to use their expertise, and reusing existing company resources are all examples of this.



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axt113 said:
Cheebee said:

Yes, I get that. But he literally called such titles (including Galaxy, which happens to be a near-10-million-seller, how many games can claim that?) 'wastes'.

Also, he's claiming SS is a waste, a title we know hardly anything about and which may not release for another year. How awkward is that, especially considering TP, its predecessor, is one of the best-selling Zelda games ever, and was without a shred of doubt a system seller when Wii launched. And you and I both know there are a LOT of people clamouring for a new console Zelda, let alone a 1:1 motion controlled one.

So, in conclusion, those things do indeed make him wrong. And very much so.

 


Wrong, they are wastes, wastes are uses of resources that don;t add any value, thanks for proving my point that you have no understanding of the business.

 

If the games didn;t push hardware, then they didn;t add value, because consumers didn;t consider them a reason to buy the system, hence they are wastes

Skyward sword will not push console sales at all, so once again I will be right, and you wrong, just wait and see.

 

I find it funny people keep saying that I'm wrong, but no one has given me a reason why, except they like the games, but the fact is, they would have bought the system even without those games, so that argument is flawed

You are wrong. Nintendo isn't just a console maker, they have other goals for their products than to just expand the userbase.



Iwata's pretty much a realistic man. He doesn't fear to say they committed mistakes.