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kowenicki said:
Kasz216 said:

Just read an article that the US is putting out a travel advisory because the US And UK uncovered an Al Queda plot to assemble teams of armed gunmen to go into europeon cities that have a lot of people and just shoot down as many people as possible.

Anyone in Europe nervous about this at all?

I'd be more nervous of the risk of living in the US  and being shot by a fellow US citizen to be honest.  The chance of being shot in the US by someone FROM the US is far higher than the same risk of being shot by a terrorist in the UK or Europe.  FAR higher.  Maybe Europe should give the same advice to its citizens wanting to go on Holiday in the US.   Pathetic.



You're only more likely to be shot by a US CItizen if you're a dick... or activly are out at a bad time.



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Kasz216 said:
Reasonable said:

This would seem very odd move.  The group in question has numerous times tried to split of Europe from US as countries it is okay with.  With recent changes of goverment, for example a new labour leader in UK saying the war was wrong, this would seem to be exactly the wrong time for this.

The result would simply be very negative and accomplish nothing.

I guess you can never second guess people who are, no matter how cunning and otherwise intelligent, operating from an untenable basis... but this would still seem a very unlikely move.  An attack in UK maybe, due to close links to US, but other European countries?  Just wouldn't make tactical or strategic sense at all.


I mean, they actually found information and plans of it happening though... and the last few terrorist attacks by them have been in europeon countries haven't they?


Oh sure.  I mean, I can imagine they could do it.  I'm just saying it wouldn't really make sense from a more strategic perspective, particularly now as I noted... but of course that doesn't always factor into a Terrorist's plans and sometimes they do seem to decide that anything that gets attention, causes unrest and can be claimed as some sort of victory is worth it.



Try to be reasonable... its easier than you think...

Kasz216 said:

You're only more likely to be shot by a US CItizen if you're a dick... or activly are out at a bad time.


No... I'm pretty sure that you still have a bigger chance of getting shot by an American citizen in broad daylight. Then you would being shot by a terrorist in Europe. 

Even if you are being the nicest guy ever.



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dsister said:
Kasz216 said:

You're only more likely to be shot by a US CItizen if you're a dick... or activly are out at a bad time.


No... I'm pretty sure that you still have a bigger chance of getting shot by an American citizen in broad daylight. Then you would being shot by a terrorist in Europe. 

Even if you are being the nicest guy ever.

Not... really.  You're only likely to be shot by someone you know... or during a crime.

If you look at gun statistics you notice that there are 3 main factors to likely being shot.

 

1) Being Young

2) Being Male

3) Location


Well outside of accidental self shootings.



numonex said:

Paranoid, religious extremist leader/government in Europe pushing anti-terrorists policies. Scapegoat of Muslims and using them as a tool to create fear in the people.

Relegious extremists in Europe the governments of Europe are as Secular as they get. And Muslims as Scapegoats is what the Far Right in Europe does and they are nowhere near mainstream and none of the far right political parties are in power or even the second largest party in their respective countries. The largest far right european party the Movement for a Better Hungary is only the third largest party in Hungary so it is unlikely they are going to get in to power any time soon.




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Kasz216 said:

Not... really.  You're only likely to be shot by someone you know... or during a crime.

If you look at gun statistics you notice that there are 3 main factors to likely being shot.

1) Being Young

2) Being Male

3) Location

Well outside of accidental self shootings.

First off I know how likely you are to be randomly shot. I'm actually quite the gun enthusiast. I know the chances are quite small. But I really don't see it being smaller then randomly being gunned down by terrorists in Europe.

Correct me if I'm wrong but there are more people shot in America(by a stranger) then Europeans shot by terrorists yearly, right? 



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Kratos_36 said:

Here in Holland , the threat isn't very big. Only now we have an idiotic manic (Geert Wilders , you may know him) who's drawing a lot of attention from terrorists. He is anti islam , want's to ban those towels on their heads (Don't now translation) , doesn't wan't any more muslim in the country and he has a lot of support.There is a problem here with people from countries like Marroc , Turkey etc. They have a really high crime rate and cause a lot of trouble , they are low educated and most are out of a job. They also costs loads of money becuase they get money from the goverment to be able to live and eat. Especcialy the younger ones. And Geert Wilders uses that to attract votes. People think he will take care of those things , but I don't think you can blame the islam for those kind of problems. And most voters think he will take care of it , but he is just extreme anti islam. Also , he has a high position in our politic system now since he got so many votes. But a lot of other so called party's (part of our politic system) don't want to work with him.

Also , when something happens here in Europe , like the dude who drawed a funny cartoon of Mohammed , all of the middel east starts burning flags , and declare war to the people of the country. It doesn't make sence. They're crazy. Because one man draws something , they wan't to kill the whole country where he's living in.

So far I don't see much of a terror treat here in Holland , but elsewhere , like in France , treat is increasing. They've banned Burka's etc.so they are under a big threat.

Shame shame shame on you for saying such things after what happened to Pim Fortuyn and Theo van Gogh (who both were Dutch people who got murdered for publicly criticizing Islam).



oldschoolfool said:
Onibaka said:
numonex said:

Paranoid, religious extremist leader/government in Europe pushing anti-terrorists policies. Scapegoat of Muslims and using them as a tool to create fear in the people. Fear = discipline, divide, conquer and control. Government strengthens its grip when it divides and conquers people. Individuals are easier to control than organised groups. 

The global war on terrorism can never be won. Terrorists are not solely Muslims, anyone can be a terrorist/thug/hooligan. The government's army and police are growing all the time. The media makes us believe that the Terrorists are all extreme Muslim fundamentalists. 

Safe and secure to keep the terrorists at bay but the loss of freedom and liberty. Internet censorship, wire tapping and the loss of privacy.  Richard Nixon was perhaps ahead of his times. His methods are considered acceptable in the modern police state.  


Post of the year.

Finally someone coherent here.

That's a small price to pay for security/safety. Not all terrorist are all extreme Muslim fundamentalists,but alot of them are.

No, Liberty is not a small price.



dsister said:
Kasz216 said:

Not... really.  You're only likely to be shot by someone you know... or during a crime.

If you look at gun statistics you notice that there are 3 main factors to likely being shot.

1) Being Young

2) Being Male

3) Location

Well outside of accidental self shootings.

First off I know how likely you are to be randomly shot. I'm actually quite the gun enthusiast. I know the chances are quite small. But I really don't see it being smaller then randomly being gunned down by terrorists in Europe.

Correct me if I'm wrong but there are more people shot in America(by a stranger) then Europeans shot by terrorists yearly, right? 

Depends on the location.

Besides you're also talking about two kinds of events.  One unplanned unavodiable event, and a planned avoidable event.

You are less likely to be hit by lightning then both events... yet it's still not advisiable to go run around with a metal bat in the rain is it?



its totally plausible that something is brewing especially an attack of some sort in a major european city

the fire needs to be kept stoking,

heck even  some part of the IRA(or someone) said they might be hitting the uk mainland and banks especially

i find this quite sad in a way that part of ireland still want to hit  mainland britain in this day and age,the mind boggles

personally i'd withdraw the british army from the middle east,i know all govts and big business are corrupt and connected but i don't know why we have to mess with their culture,i couldn't give a f*ck what arabs do in their own countries and i'd hope the feeling is mutual



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