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oldschoolfool on 03 October 2010
kowenicki said:
oldschoolfool said:
kowenicki said:
Kasz216 said:

Just read an article that the US is putting out a travel advisory because the US And UK uncovered an Al Queda plot to assemble teams of armed gunmen to go into europeon cities that have a lot of people and just shoot down as many people as possible.

Anyone in Europe nervous about this at all?

I'd be more nervous of the risk of living in the US  and being shot by a fellow US citizen to be honest.  The chance of being shot in the US by someone FROM the US is far higher than the same risk of being shot by a terrorist in the UK or Europe.  FAR higher.  Maybe Europe should give the same advice to its citizens wanting to go on Holiday in the US.   Pathetic.

yes,all we do in the U.S. is shoot each other,give me a break. It's just a cautious warning. It's not like there keeping U.S. citizens from going to the UK. There just saying be vigilante. That's all,no need to get worked up over it.

where did i say that? 

I am merely stating a statistical fact that there is more chance of you being shot by a US citizen in the US than there is of coming here and being shot by a terrorist.  Actually, there is more chance of you being killed in a car accident near your home than there is of being shot by a terrorist over here.  Do they give you a "cautious warning" not to leave your bed in the morning.  I fucking hate the health and safety and risk assessment world we have become.  Idiotic.

How is leaving your bed in the morning comparable to being cautious of a terrorist plot? Nothing will probably happen,but you can't be to careful. Intel must have uncovered something? The U.S. goverment has issued warnings in the U.S. in the past(although it's been along while). Again you can't be to careful,would you rather have the U.S. goverment just say nothing? What if something actually does happen,then U.S. citizens will get outraged because the goverment said nothing and knew something was going on.  



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HappySqurriel on 03 October 2010

After the attack on Mumbai any credible threat of a similar attack anywhere in the world was likely going to result in warnings, and the Americans/British are warning travelers to these countries because the attack in Mumbai was focused on western (primarily American and British) tourists. The reason for the warning has little/nothing to do with it being a highly likely for someone to get injured/killed in this terrorist strike if it happens; the reason for the warning is to protect the intelligence agencies in case the attack happens and people find out they had intelligence suggesting it was going to happen.




oldschoolfool on 03 October 2010
HappySqurriel said:

After the attack on Mumbai any credible threat of a similar attack anywhere in the world was likely going to result in warnings, and the Americans/British are warning travelers to these countries because the attack in Mumbai was focused on western (primarily American and British) tourists. The reason for the warning has little/nothing to do with it being a highly likely for someone to get injured/killed in this terrorist strike if it happens; the reason for the warning is to protect the intelligence agencies in case the attack happens and people find out they had intelligence suggesting it was going to happen.

the reason for the warning is to protect the intelligence agencies in case the attack happens and people find out they had intelligence suggesting it was going to happen.------------------that's what I was trying to say. The intelligence agencies are just trying to cover themselves.




Skeeuk on 03 October 2010
zgamer5 said:

their is terrorism everywhere, people just dont know about it. and its from every single government in the world.

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deffo true. people just take to news to much its almost laughable, it happens all over the world buy all govenrments



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zgamer5 on 03 October 2010
Skeeuk said:
zgamer5 said:

their is terrorism everywhere, people just dont know about it. and its from every single government in the world.

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deffo true. people just take to news to much its almost laughable, it happens all over the world buy all govenrments


you have no idea what i ment? right?



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numonex on 03 October 2010

Paranoid, religious extremist leader/government in Europe pushing anti-terrorists policies. Scapegoat of Muslims and using them as a tool to create fear in the people. Fear = discipline, divide, conquer and control. Government strengthens its grip when it divides and conquers people. Individuals are easier to control than organised groups. 

The global war on terrorism can never be won. Terrorists are not solely Muslims, anyone can be a terrorist/thug/hooligan. The government's army and police are growing all the time. The media makes us believe that the Terrorists are all extreme Muslim fundamentalists. 

Safe and secure to keep the terrorists at bay but the loss of freedom and liberty. Internet censorship, wire tapping and the loss of privacy.  Richard Nixon was perhaps ahead of his times. His methods are considered acceptable in the modern police state.  



Onibaka on 03 October 2010
numonex said:

Paranoid, religious extremist leader/government in Europe pushing anti-terrorists policies. Scapegoat of Muslims and using them as a tool to create fear in the people. Fear = discipline, divide, conquer and control. Government strengthens its grip when it divides and conquers people. Individuals are easier to control than organised groups. 

The global war on terrorism can never be won. Terrorists are not solely Muslims, anyone can be a terrorist/thug/hooligan. The government's army and police are growing all the time. The media makes us believe that the Terrorists are all extreme Muslim fundamentalists. 

Safe and secure to keep the terrorists at bay but the loss of freedom and liberty. Internet censorship, wire tapping and the loss of privacy.  Richard Nixon was perhaps ahead of his times. His methods are considered acceptable in the modern police state.  


Post of the year.

Finally someone coherent here.



oldschoolfool on 03 October 2010
Onibaka said:
numonex said:

Paranoid, religious extremist leader/government in Europe pushing anti-terrorists policies. Scapegoat of Muslims and using them as a tool to create fear in the people. Fear = discipline, divide, conquer and control. Government strengthens its grip when it divides and conquers people. Individuals are easier to control than organised groups. 

The global war on terrorism can never be won. Terrorists are not solely Muslims, anyone can be a terrorist/thug/hooligan. The government's army and police are growing all the time. The media makes us believe that the Terrorists are all extreme Muslim fundamentalists. 

Safe and secure to keep the terrorists at bay but the loss of freedom and liberty. Internet censorship, wire tapping and the loss of privacy.  Richard Nixon was perhaps ahead of his times. His methods are considered acceptable in the modern police state.  


Post of the year.

Finally someone coherent here.

That's a small price to pay for security/safety. Not all terrorist are all extreme Muslim fundamentalists,but alot of them are.



HappySqurriel on 03 October 2010
numonex said:

Paranoid, religious extremist leader/government in Europe pushing anti-terrorists policies. Scapegoat of Muslims and using them as a tool to create fear in the people. Fear = discipline, divide, conquer and control. Government strengthens its grip when it divides and conquers people. Individuals are easier to control than organised groups. 

The global war on terrorism can never be won. Terrorists are not solely Muslims, anyone can be a terrorist/thug/hooligan. The government's army and police are growing all the time. The media makes us believe that the Terrorists are all extreme Muslim fundamentalists. 

Safe and secure to keep the terrorists at bay but the loss of freedom and liberty. Internet censorship, wire tapping and the loss of privacy.  Richard Nixon was perhaps ahead of his times. His methods are considered acceptable in the modern police state.  

Obviously, not all terrorists are Muslims, but the vast majority of international terrorists are radical fundimentalist muslims.

Now, the trade-off between freedom and safety has been going on since the first individuals formed the first tribal groups. In fact the debate is relevant in all politics today as often one group or political party will argue that it is reasonable to trample another's freedoms for the safety of another; and it isn't limited to one political party or ideology, and it seems that everyone (except Libertarians) seems to believe that some freedoms are worth giving up for some safety.



Kasz216 on 03 October 2010
Reasonable said:

This would seem very odd move.  The group in question has numerous times tried to split of Europe from US as countries it is okay with.  With recent changes of goverment, for example a new labour leader in UK saying the war was wrong, this would seem to be exactly the wrong time for this.

The result would simply be very negative and accomplish nothing.

I guess you can never second guess people who are, no matter how cunning and otherwise intelligent, operating from an untenable basis... but this would still seem a very unlikely move.  An attack in UK maybe, due to close links to US, but other European countries?  Just wouldn't make tactical or strategic sense at all.


I mean, they actually found information and plans of it happening though... and the last few terrorist attacks by them have been in europeon countries haven't they?