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LOL, I don't know dude.

 

If it manages to have the same the ps2 had I'm happy.



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I agree with mortono, a big chunk of the industry seem to have grown weary of nintendo and they're some how trying to take them out by not giving a damn about them. Despite this "attack," nintendo doesn't seem phased at all.

When the 3DS rolls in, they're going to mop the floor with thoes who say nintendo is doomed. They did it before with the DS and Wii; third times the charm.



It won't matter what the next console is. It could be identical to the other systems and 3rd party support will still be poor and they'll come up with new and different excuses for why their games aren't on the system. If not that then the games will be the poorest versions. I think we need to accept that some publishers are simply anti-Nintendo in the console space. Even in the hand held race it seems when it comes to some of the bigger publishers.

I know personally next time around I'm not not getting any other consoles outside of Nintendo's.  Money is a factor but this generation the only company that has really satisfied me has been Nintendo. Others have gotten lucky with a game here or there on the system and even on my PS3 and 360 there aren't many games I've replayed. However the big investments with those have been the systems and the games have usually been used or cheap.

Perhaps I'm being far to negative and I could be surprised. I'm just not holding out hope though. I know Nintendo and their partners (2nd parties) will deliver. That's really what I'm looking forward to on the next console and on the Nintendo 3DS as well.



mortono said:

My assumption is that 3rd parties, as well as the industry as a whole, has a serious grudge against Nintendo and would like to see them go out of business


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What I would expect on the next Nintendo home console is a much more significant effort from third party publishers at launch; and (depending on how that goes) it could potentially translate into dramatically more and better support. While I wouldn't expect the kind of core-game support as the PS3 or XBox 360 received, I think it is realistic to expect that most publishers will release more core games that were developed by better teams, attached to well known IPs, and had (relatively speaking) larger budgets and longer development times. These games would be far more likely to be successful, and as a result their sales could justify further game development. If the Wii HD is as successful as the Wii was, I would expect truly strong third party support towards the end of its life; and certainly for its successor.



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Regarding from the 3DS support is answer is no. Even less support because if need N6 is HD and games need HD bugdet, then 3rd parties couldn't do their cheap cash in to get money to develop on other platform as they did for the wii.

To be honest, the support of the "core" for 3DS is bad. It's port, port and port (MGS3: PS2, Saint Row: XBLA...) for me. Really few original games from the gound up and specifically for the 3DS. Problem is I got the same feeling for the Nintendo games: OoT, Starfox and Nintendogs. I wonder how the 3Ds could shine by it's own originality as the DS did.



But we must first concentrate ourselves on the way to entertain people, for video games to live. Else, it's a world where sales representative will win, which has as effect to kill creativity. I want to say to the creators all around the world:"Courage, Dare!". Shigeru Miyamoto.

Oh hey, I'm famous! Yeah, I pretty much stand by my original statement that MS and Sony will always recieve the majority of third party support as long as they are making consoles and their 1st party games don't reach Nintendo-like popularity, Nintendo consoles will always be an afterthuoght for 3rd party devs. The main reason being they simply don't want to compete with Nintendo's major games, which have a stranglehold on the software sales.

However, that's not to say support can't improve. With the amount of support Wii got, that won't take much. I think the lack of success of Gamecube sort of wrote the death note for Wii third party support before the console even came out, since everyone expected it to get the same low sales, if not worse. Of course, there is also the gap in horsepower, but I think this is way overstated and more of an excuse than anything.

I think the next Nintendo console should get better support, now that devs have waken up to the fact that Ninendo hardware probably isn't going to be selling 20 million again any time soon.



SaviorX said:
AbbathTheGrim said:
SaviorX said:

They won't even get it next gen.

N64- Cartridges are too expensive and N64 is too hard to make games for.

GC- Userbase is too small; discs don't hold enough space.PS2 is king.

Wii- Userbase is too large; graphics aint strong enough; we cannot compete with Nintendo/nintendo should make games to expand "xxxxxx-genre's" userbase.

Wii2- We cant compete with Nintendo games, too expensive to make HD games; userbase is too large.

Nintendo cannot and will not ever win. Deep down inside, everyone knows they make better games more frequently than any other 3rd party and no one wants to side with that...except Warren Spector lol.


I disagree. I am not interested in any of Nintendo's games.

None? I'm not only talking about the Wii...you trying to tell me nothin they make on the DS appeals to you either?


Well, from the DS I am not interested in any Nintendo game, but I wrote too fast because I do would like to play NSMBW. XD I love 2D Mario but could never get into 3D Mario. But really, I can't agree with you. I guess we could say that there is more or less a tie between Sony and Nintendo releasing the major number of AAA titles but discussing about "better" games is somthing quite subjective, don't you think?



Nintendo is selling their IPs to Microsoft and this is true because:

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=221391&page=1

SaviorX said:

They won't even get it next gen.

N64- Cartridges are too expensive and N64 is too hard to make games for.

GC- Userbase is too small; discs don't hold enough space.PS2 is king.

Wii- Userbase is too large; graphics aint strong enough; we cannot compete with Nintendo/nintendo should make games to expand "xxxxxx-genre's" userbase.

Wii2- We cant compete with Nintendo games, too expensive to make HD games; userbase is too large.

Nintendo cannot and will not ever win. Deep down inside, everyone knows they make better games more frequently than any other 3rd party and no one wants to side with that...except Warren Spector lol.


I'm not quite following, how can the large userbase be part of the problem?



AbbathTheGrim said:
SaviorX said:
AbbathTheGrim said:
SaviorX said:

They won't even get it next gen.

N64- Cartridges are too expensive and N64 is too hard to make games for.

GC- Userbase is too small; discs don't hold enough space.PS2 is king.

Wii- Userbase is too large; graphics aint strong enough; we cannot compete with Nintendo/nintendo should make games to expand "xxxxxx-genre's" userbase.

Wii2- We cant compete with Nintendo games, too expensive to make HD games; userbase is too large.

Nintendo cannot and will not ever win. Deep down inside, everyone knows they make better games more frequently than any other 3rd party and no one wants to side with that...except Warren Spector lol.


I disagree. I am not interested in any of Nintendo's games.

None? I'm not only talking about the Wii...you trying to tell me nothin they make on the DS appeals to you either?


Well, from the DS I am not interested in any Nintendo game, but I wrote too fast because I do would like to play NSMBW. XD I love 2D Mario but could never get into 3D Mario. But really, I can't agree with you. I guess we could say that there is more or less a tie between Sony and Nintendo releasing the major number of AAA titles but discussing about "better" games is somthing quite subjective, don't you think?

Yea, I'm not a big 3D Mario fan either to tell you the truth; Super Mario World is my all-time favorite. Ive never finished a 3D Mario. SM64 seems like the only one I would want to... (flameshield UP!)

Subjective? Maybe. However, Nintendo has one awards for like, best run company and has often topped the best Dev lists. I know sales don't equal quality, but when you can get 10 games to sell 10 million (which they will do... eventually) you have to be good. When you have 3 TWENTY million selling titles (MK, WF, soon to be WSR) you are most likely the best.

I personally think Nintendo's dedication to detail and quality assurance is unmatched which is what makes them the best. You only hear people say, "I only buy Nintendo games." No one ever says that for a 3rd party. Sony & MS, maybe sometimes.



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