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damndl0ser on 27 October 2010
Makaha said:
Seece said:
Makaha said:
Seece said:
Makaha said:

well, there is a factor in the 360 reaching 50 million--

 

if Nintendo does cut the price on the Wii, it will KILL Kinect sales

 

so a Wii price cut would do two things: increase Wii hardware sales, AND destroy Kinect sales

 

I'm not saying that Nintendo will cut the price of the Wii.

 

I'm saying that if Nintendo did cut the price of the Wii, parents would see a $ 150 Wii versus a $ 300 KInect bundle.  Which one do you think they will buy?

Especially in this economy.

It would absolutely kill Kinect.

 

Personally, I think Nintendo would be dumb not to cut the price, and soon.

I honestly think if Nintendo cut the Wii price, MS will monitor first 3 weeks of sale and if it's not as they'd hope, they'll cut for black friday.

 

I don't know about that....

 

That would make Microsoft look really bad....

 

Here they are, marketing and releasing a brand new product--Kinect--at a price they'll already state in commercials (in the next month or so).  And now, after the Wii cuts the price, MS will say in commercials "we are dropping the price!!"

 

That would look really bad ,

to me anyway

Well I know what you mean, it will look like a failed product, legally though they won't be allowed to even call it a price cut after 3 weeks (at least in this country, product needs to have had the previous price for at least 3 months, IIRC) so I imagine the majority of people Kinect is actually aimed at will think no less than "oh that's nice, the price has gone down!", the people that bought it in the first 3 weeks would get a rebate/refund on their money more than likely. Anyway I was actually talking about the 360 getting a price cut not Kinect. Of which they havn't cut the arcade price in 2 years now.

 

the thing about Kinect is....

 

the way life works is....

well if you go back to before the Wii released, everyone said that the Wii will be a huge huge failure, it is doomed, and  they laughed at the Wii, and look at what happened?  The Wii was an incredible success

 

Now, before Kinect releases, everyone is saying Kinect will be a huge gigantic success and sell tons of 360s....

so if you look at the trend, you can see what's going to happen, life is just unpredictable.....

 

It's just setting everyone up for big disappointment....

 

the Kinect software lineup is very weak, and it just doesn't have a killer app like the Wii had with Wii Sports

 

it may push some hardware in the beginning because of the new-ness, but unless the Kinect experience is extremely COMPELLING, Kinect sales will fade fast

 

people are just setting themselves up fro major disappointment

 

 


Or it could be a huge success just like the Wii.

There are huge amounts of hype associated with both releases.  And I have no doubts that the Kinect will boost 360 sales a lot.  Will it hit 50 mil by years end?  I am going to guess and say probably will.

Nice thread.



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bannedagain on 27 October 2010
Makaha said:
Seece said:
Makaha said:
Seece said:
Makaha said:

well, there is a factor in the 360 reaching 50 million--

 

if Nintendo does cut the price on the Wii, it will KILL Kinect sales

 

so a Wii price cut would do two things: increase Wii hardware sales, AND destroy Kinect sales

 

I'm not saying that Nintendo will cut the price of the Wii.

 

I'm saying that if Nintendo did cut the price of the Wii, parents would see a $ 150 Wii versus a $ 300 KInect bundle.  Which one do you think they will buy?

Especially in this economy.

It would absolutely kill Kinect.

 

Personally, I think Nintendo would be dumb not to cut the price, and soon.

I honestly think if Nintendo cut the Wii price, MS will monitor first 3 weeks of sale and if it's not as they'd hope, they'll cut for black friday.

 

I don't know about that....

 

That would make Microsoft look really bad....

 

Here they are, marketing and releasing a brand new product--Kinect--at a price they'll already state in commercials (in the next month or so).  And now, after the Wii cuts the price, MS will say in commercials "we are dropping the price!!"

 

That would look really bad ,

to me anyway

Well I know what you mean, it will look like a failed product, legally though they won't be allowed to even call it a price cut after 3 weeks (at least in this country, product needs to have had the previous price for at least 3 months, IIRC) so I imagine the majority of people Kinect is actually aimed at will think no less than "oh that's nice, the price has gone down!", the people that bought it in the first 3 weeks would get a rebate/refund on their money more than likely. Anyway I was actually talking about the 360 getting a price cut not Kinect. Of which they havn't cut the arcade price in 2 years now.

 

the thing about Kinect is....

 

the way life works is....

well if you go back to before the Wii released, everyone said that the Wii will be a huge huge failure, it is doomed, and  they laughed at the Wii, and look at what happened?  The Wii was an incredible success

 

Now, before Kinect releases, everyone is saying Kinect will be a huge gigantic success and sell tons of 360s....

so if you look at the trend, you can see what's going to happen, life is just unpredictable.....

 

It's just setting everyone up for big disappointment....

 

the Kinect software lineup is very weak, and it just doesn't have a killer app like the Wii had with Wii Sports

 

it may push some hardware in the beginning because of the new-ness, but unless the Kinect experience is extremely COMPELLING, Kinect sales will fade fast

 

people are just setting themselves up fro major disappointment

 

 

REALLY?  Go over to N4G and tell me it isn't all doom for kinect, article's. All I hear is it's going to fail and you just added to it.

Dude oprah had it on her show. Are you kidding me, every mother wants one now.

I can just see it now, yea I'm out of shape,"kinect no controller needed, work off your ugly fat rolls".  Buy two, one for the kids and one for me.

My mom wants one, My mom hate's video games. Not because of the material but because she can't handle all the buttons. did not pick up the wii either but she wants kinect. That right there my friends is why I'm going to buy stock.



bannedagain on 27 October 2010

I think we will have a down week or two, followed by a hugh gain in units. Depends on how geared up MS is for kinect. I do see a lot of people stepping up and seeing kinect as a next buy for there kids after the wii.



Makaha on 27 October 2010
damndl0ser said:
Makaha said:
Seece said:
Makaha said:
Seece said:
Makaha said:

well, there is a factor in the 360 reaching 50 million--

 

if Nintendo does cut the price on the Wii, it will KILL Kinect sales

 

so a Wii price cut would do two things: increase Wii hardware sales, AND destroy Kinect sales

 

I'm not saying that Nintendo will cut the price of the Wii.

 

I'm saying that if Nintendo did cut the price of the Wii, parents would see a $ 150 Wii versus a $ 300 KInect bundle.  Which one do you think they will buy?

Especially in this economy.

It would absolutely kill Kinect.

 

Personally, I think Nintendo would be dumb not to cut the price, and soon.

I honestly think if Nintendo cut the Wii price, MS will monitor first 3 weeks of sale and if it's not as they'd hope, they'll cut for black friday.

 

I don't know about that....

 

That would make Microsoft look really bad....

 

Here they are, marketing and releasing a brand new product--Kinect--at a price they'll already state in commercials (in the next month or so).  And now, after the Wii cuts the price, MS will say in commercials "we are dropping the price!!"

 

That would look really bad ,

to me anyway

Well I know what you mean, it will look like a failed product, legally though they won't be allowed to even call it a price cut after 3 weeks (at least in this country, product needs to have had the previous price for at least 3 months, IIRC) so I imagine the majority of people Kinect is actually aimed at will think no less than "oh that's nice, the price has gone down!", the people that bought it in the first 3 weeks would get a rebate/refund on their money more than likely. Anyway I was actually talking about the 360 getting a price cut not Kinect. Of which they havn't cut the arcade price in 2 years now.

 

the thing about Kinect is....

 

the way life works is....

well if you go back to before the Wii released, everyone said that the Wii will be a huge huge failure, it is doomed, and  they laughed at the Wii, and look at what happened?  The Wii was an incredible success

 

Now, before Kinect releases, everyone is saying Kinect will be a huge gigantic success and sell tons of 360s....

so if you look at the trend, you can see what's going to happen, life is just unpredictable.....

 

It's just setting everyone up for big disappointment....

 

the Kinect software lineup is very weak, and it just doesn't have a killer app like the Wii had with Wii Sports

 

it may push some hardware in the beginning because of the new-ness, but unless the Kinect experience is extremely COMPELLING, Kinect sales will fade fast

 

people are just setting themselves up fro major disappointment

 

 


Or it could be a huge success just like the Wii.

There are huge amounts of hype associated with both releases.  And I have no doubts that the Kinect will boost 360 sales a lot.  Will it hit 50 mil by years end?  I am going to guess and say probably will.

Nice thread.



what?!?

 

almost everyone thought the Wii would fail, and fail miserably, most people thought it was a stupid idea, but look at what happened, the Wii becomes one of the most successful consoles of all time

 

now this time everyone thinks Kinect will be huge and successful, but in life, many times, the opposite happens, again just look at the Wii, because life is unpredictable

If businesses could predict things, Sony or MS would have come up with something like the Wii first, but you cannot predict these things, or else everyone would be successul in business

 

If Nintendo truly saw Kinect as a threat, they would drop the price of the Wii....

because Nintendo could DEFINATELY afford a Wii price cut....hell the Wii was profitable when it first released unlike the PS3 and 360 which took a loss on every console for a while

Nintendo could easily cut the price of the Wii and that would destroy the Kinect launch

 

but just watch....

 

If Nintendo does NOT cut the price of the Wii before the launch of Kinect, it means that Nintendo is SURE that Kinect will not do well, as they don't see Kinect as a threat at all, so they won't cut the price

 

think about it, why wouldn't Nintendo cut the price of the Wii?



 

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damndl0ser on 27 October 2010
Makaha said:
damndl0ser said:
Makaha said:
Seece said:
Makaha said:
Seece said:
Makaha said:

 



what?!?

 

almost everyone thought the Wii would fail, and fail miserably, most people thought it was a stupid idea, but look at what happened, the Wii becomes one of the most successful consoles of all time

 

now this time everyone thinks Kinect will be huge and successful, but in life, many times, the opposite happens, again just look at the Wii, because life is unpredictable

If businesses could predict things, Sony or MS would have come up with something like the Wii first, but you cannot predict these things, or else everyone would be successul in business

 

If Nintendo truly saw Kinect as a threat, they would drop the price of the Wii....

because Nintendo could DEFINATELY afford a Wii price cut....hell the Wii was profitable when it first released unlike the PS3 and 360 which took a loss on every console for a while

Nintendo could easily cut the price of the Wii and that would destroy the Kinect launch

 

but just watch....

 

If Nintendo does NOT cut the price of the Wii before the launch of Kinect, it means that Nintendo is SURE that Kinect will not do well, as they don't see Kinect as a threat at all, so they won't cut the price

 

think about it, why wouldn't Nintendo cut the price of the Wii?

Suprising someone has that much faith in the Wii still.  Personally I see it like this, the Wii will have a price cut for sure.  But Nintendo isn't stupid and they will hold off as long as they possibly can.  Why should they cut the price right now when they are still doing fairly well and don't have too?   The answer is they won't until they have too (Nov 26 Black Friday), so they will make that extra few million bucks.  (Just remember that they are still within a few thousand of being number one sales wise).

You are right, no one can really predict these things 100%.  But you can judge a lot of the initial sales on the hype meter alone.  The hype for Kinect is higher than anything I have seen recently and thats including the PS3.  When a product gets on Oprah (like the person above stated) its like a gold mine.  People buy into her shit like she's  the next coming.  A book gets on her list its instantly # 1 same goes with anything that she promotes.  Thats why you see so many companies clamoring to give away shit on her show.

So paraphrasing here, Oprah is a sales goddess and people listen to her.  She has endorced Kinect and it will sell really well even without that bajillion dollar sales campaign that Kinect has going for it.  The Wii will cut the price, but it won't affect sales as much as you think.  And only time will tell who eates the crow.  



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Serious_frusting on 27 October 2010

I dont think it will



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BHR-3 on 27 October 2010
Serious_frusting said:

I dont think it will


also i think something happened

360 is at 43,915,283 now not 44,018,178

so your cumulative is now in the negative not on schedule

and it should be minus another 60k again of your numbers when the numbers come in for last week



                                                             

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Legend11 on 27 October 2010
Makaha said:
damndl0ser said:
Makaha said:
Seece said:
Makaha said:
Seece said:
Makaha said:

well, there is a factor in the 360 reaching 50 million--

 

if Nintendo does cut the price on the Wii, it will KILL Kinect sales

 

so a Wii price cut would do two things: increase Wii hardware sales, AND destroy Kinect sales

 

I'm not saying that Nintendo will cut the price of the Wii.

 

I'm saying that if Nintendo did cut the price of the Wii, parents would see a $ 150 Wii versus a $ 300 KInect bundle.  Which one do you think they will buy?

Especially in this economy.

It would absolutely kill Kinect.

 

Personally, I think Nintendo would be dumb not to cut the price, and soon.

I honestly think if Nintendo cut the Wii price, MS will monitor first 3 weeks of sale and if it's not as they'd hope, they'll cut for black friday.

 

I don't know about that....

 

That would make Microsoft look really bad....

 

Here they are, marketing and releasing a brand new product--Kinect--at a price they'll already state in commercials (in the next month or so).  And now, after the Wii cuts the price, MS will say in commercials "we are dropping the price!!"

 

That would look really bad ,

to me anyway

Well I know what you mean, it will look like a failed product, legally though they won't be allowed to even call it a price cut after 3 weeks (at least in this country, product needs to have had the previous price for at least 3 months, IIRC) so I imagine the majority of people Kinect is actually aimed at will think no less than "oh that's nice, the price has gone down!", the people that bought it in the first 3 weeks would get a rebate/refund on their money more than likely. Anyway I was actually talking about the 360 getting a price cut not Kinect. Of which they havn't cut the arcade price in 2 years now.

 

the thing about Kinect is....

 

the way life works is....

well if you go back to before the Wii released, everyone said that the Wii will be a huge huge failure, it is doomed, and  they laughed at the Wii, and look at what happened?  The Wii was an incredible success

 

Now, before Kinect releases, everyone is saying Kinect will be a huge gigantic success and sell tons of 360s....

so if you look at the trend, you can see what's going to happen, life is just unpredictable.....

 

It's just setting everyone up for big disappointment....

 

the Kinect software lineup is very weak, and it just doesn't have a killer app like the Wii had with Wii Sports

 

it may push some hardware in the beginning because of the new-ness, but unless the Kinect experience is extremely COMPELLING, Kinect sales will fade fast

 

people are just setting themselves up fro major disappointment

 

 


Or it could be a huge success just like the Wii.

There are huge amounts of hype associated with both releases.  And I have no doubts that the Kinect will boost 360 sales a lot.  Will it hit 50 mil by years end?  I am going to guess and say probably will.

Nice thread.



what?!?

 

almost everyone thought the Wii would fail, and fail miserably, most people thought it was a stupid idea, but look at what happened, the Wii becomes one of the most successful consoles of all time

 

now this time everyone thinks Kinect will be huge and successful, but in life, many times, the opposite happens, again just look at the Wii, because life is unpredictable

If businesses could predict things, Sony or MS would have come up with something like the Wii first, but you cannot predict these things, or else everyone would be successul in business

 

If Nintendo truly saw Kinect as a threat, they would drop the price of the Wii....

because Nintendo could DEFINATELY afford a Wii price cut....hell the Wii was profitable when it first released unlike the PS3 and 360 which took a loss on every console for a while

Nintendo could easily cut the price of the Wii and that would destroy the Kinect launch

 

but just watch....

 

If Nintendo does NOT cut the price of the Wii before the launch of Kinect, it means that Nintendo is SURE that Kinect will not do well, as they don't see Kinect as a threat at all, so they won't cut the price

 

think about it, why wouldn't Nintendo cut the price of the Wii?


A $50 price cut would probably cost Nintendo between $2-3 billion  in lost potential revenue at this point in the Wii's lifecycle so it would be a pretty big deal for them to have one.  They're probably waiting to see how Kinect plays out first and if it dominates X'mas and shows no signs of stopping by the end of the first quarter of 2011 you can bet Nintendo will have that price cut.



GreyianStorm on 29 October 2010
kowenicki said:

BUMP

Updated... again!!

Just 6422 behind, not too bad... one more week before THE KINECT EFFECT.

That doesn't sound at all cheesy. :p



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