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Bodhesatva said: Just to prove my point, I just did a calculation of worldwide software totals this week.  PS3: 1,460,000  Wii: 3,291,000 PSP: 639,000  If you do the math, the Wii and PS3 totals provide very similar attach rates: there are approximately 2.2 more Wiis than PS3s in the world, while the software sold at approximately 2.1 times the rate. Very close, with PS3 AHEAD. By comparison, the PS3 sold 2.3 times as much software as the PSP, even though the PSP has around four times as much hardawre! That means the PS3 software sold at well over 8x the rate per system.  That should put the PS3 software totals into perspective for you. PS3 is fine.

 

What games are inclunding these figures? Because VGC usually make the mistake to include Wiisport or Wiiplay for the Wii, which of course have no meaning in terms of tie ratio.

I won't talk for all europe, but in France, I can say this : the PS3 is indeed doing very well, especially during this Xmas but

1- X360 owners do buy More games. Not as much as in the US, but still more than PS3 owners.

2- Uncharted result might not been as high as it could be because Sony did a mistake : the game was only released the 5th of december, which is a bit late, and the rates weren't all as high as in the US.

@StanGable:

I don't agree with you. I didn't say that Americans buy only American products. They are more likely to buy an American products. Of course there are products that sells good outside their 'native' country but rarely better than in their home country, PS2 did it becouse it was the best console last generation. It's not easy to prove or disprove but this is sth I think we can agree as I found this quite obvious and natural. Also you can't just pick up a country and a product and say it's not true (especially when even aren't saying that ipods/fast-food are more popular in Japan than USA and don't give any numbers). Have you ever bought anything made in Poland? Becouse I did a lot. Did you ever choose a product becouse it was American even if you could take a similar one made overseas? And if you didn't don't you think that there are people in your country (and in every other one) that would do it? Isn't this sth what a patriot would do? And aren't many people patriots?

Other look on the subject: Every console has strongest position it's home region:
Wii: Japan (66% market share)
PS3: Japan (25% market share)
360: America (48% market share)
Every console has weakest position in it's non-home region in which it has to compete with other/others "native" systems to that region:
Wii: America (37% market share, competes with American X360 in that region)
PS3: America (15% market share, competes with American X360 in that region)
360: Japan (9% market share, competes with Japanese PS3 and Wii in that region)
Every console position in "neutral" region Europe(Others) is the same as this console position in whole world:
Wii: it is number 1 in Others as well as in the world with very close market share (40% in Others compared to 43% worldwide).
PS3: It's on last place in Europe with 22% compared to 18.5% worldwide.
X360: It's on second place WW and in Others with market share 39% in both.

About Japan X360 sales: There is no big software advantage for PS3 over 360 in Japan. PS3 important exclusives were only Dynasty Warriors Gundam and Everybody's Golf 5 in Japan. Other good PS3 games (WE2008, DW6) were also avalible on X360 which also had Blue Dragon, Dead or Alive or Ace Combat 6. Distance between X360 and PS3 in Japan in any way cannot be explained by lack of Japanese-tasted software on 360, especially when X360 are 2 years on the market.

The PS3 is in the same boat as the PSP, its been pushed so hard for its multimedia capabilities at the cost of its games

Cryoakira said: Bodhesatva said: Just to prove my point, I just did a calculation of worldwide software totals this week. PS3: 1,460,000 Wii: 3,291,000 PSP: 639,000 If you do the math, the Wii and PS3 totals provide very similar attach rates: there are approximately 2.2 more Wiis than PS3s in the world, while the software sold at approximately 2.1 times the rate. Very close, with PS3 AHEAD. By comparison, the PS3 sold 2.3 times as much software as the PSP, even though the PSP has around four times as much hardawre! That means the PS3 software sold at well over 8x the rate per system. That should put the PS3 software totals into perspective for you. PS3 is fine.   What games are inclunding these figures? Because VGC usually make the mistake to include Wiisport or Wiiplay for the Wii, which of course have no meaning in terms of tie ratio. I won't talk for all europe, but in France, I can say this : the PS3 is indeed doing very well, especially during this Xmas but 1- X360 owners do buy More games. Not as much as in the US, but still more than PS3 owners. 2- Uncharted result might not been as high as it could be because Sony did a mistake : the game was only released the 5th of december, which is a bit late, and the rates weren't all as high as in the US.

 Actually,you're quite wrong: Wii Sports and Wii play do have very real meaning in terms of tie ratio. So that point is simply wrong.

More importantly, however, even if they were moot, these totals include bundled games for the PS3 (motorstorm and ratchet in the US) and in the EU (Heavenly Sword, Motorstorm and Resistance were ALL bundled with everything but the 40 GB model). 

Are you suggesting that the Wii has a lower attach ratio than the PS3? Overall, the Wii's attach ratio is actually higher, according to Media Create / NPD / VGChartz. I was just showing it isn't MUCH of a difference, and that the difference is lower, not higher. In other words, I was defending the PS3, but apparently you feel that it's not okay unless I admit the Wii is the total loser and the PS3 wins, which it doesn't, as the Wii is both selling more hardware, more software, and has a better attach ratio, all at once. 

If you want me to defend the Wii, THAT is easy to do. It clobbers the PS3 in every concievable sales category. But again, I wasn't trying to attack the PS3; I wanted to show that despite its comparatively low status, its software sales are respectable.

The numbers I've taken are VGChartz estimates for last week's WW software sales.  

Bullshit.

USA Christmas 2006:
With only GeoW, which thnx to hype was selling good.
The only new worth to mention game R6:Vegas on nov 25th made just 134k.
On nov 25th 2006 CoD3 made 390k with 3,75mln. x360 sold, and on nov 24th CoD4 made 360k with 2,6 mln. PS3 sold.
CoD3 by the end of year made 855k.

PS3 still have UT3 to come. =)

Now other games - first week sales of x360 games:
Conan - 27,411
Bullet Witch - 14,389
Vampire Rain - 17,077
Eternal Sonata - 28,079
Virtua Fighter 5 - 38,122
Beautiful Katamari - 35,189
Ridge Racer 6 - 9,513
Project Gotham 4 - 49,562
Armored Core 4 - 42,591
Blue Dragon - 59,791
Enchanted Arms - 33,475
DiRT - 55,715
C&C: 3 - 77,853
Dead or Alive 4 - 24,459
Viva Pinata - 10,690

CrazzyMan said: Bullshit. USA Christmas 2006: With only GeoW, which thnx to hype was selling good. The only new worth to mention game R6:Vegas on nov 25th made just 134k. On nov 25th 2006 CoD3 made 390k with 3,75mln. x360 sold, and on nov 24th CoD4 made 360k with 2,6 mln. PS3 sold. CoD3 by the end of year made 855k. PS3 still have UT3 to come. =) Now other games - first week sales of x360 games: Conan - 27,411 Bullet Witch - 14,389 Vampire Rain - 17,077 Eternal Sonata - 28,079 Virtua Fighter 5 - 38,122 Beautiful Katamari - 35,189 Ridge Racer 6 - 9,513 Project Gotham 4 - 49,562 Armored Core 4 - 42,591 Blue Dragon - 59,791 Enchanted Arms - 33,475 DiRT - 55,715 C&C: 3 - 77,853 Dead or Alive 4 - 24,459 Viva Pinata - 10,690

CrazzyMan, the King of Cherry Picking!

 

StanGable said: I have a question! How come Europeans buy PS3 way more than Americans? We have almost similar tastes except in sport games and perhaps party-type games (SingPop Star is like a flop here). I can understand Japan cuz they definitely have their niche group with videogames, but Europe? I would think after all the shit that Sony did to Europe I would tell them to fuck off. I now believe that Europeans are actually against American made products unlike Japan with this whole issue of them not buying foreign products in some other thread posted a while back.

I think a lot has to do with brand loyalty. For the U.S., most of us are gaming mercenaries. We love our brands, but let the sequel to it come out too expensive or lacking in value, and they will go the other way. I know a few Europeans, and they love the PS brand. They were going to buy it as soon as it hit, regardless of the lack of features. Here in the U.S., some folks will do that, but a lot of us are like 'Whoa! You are charging me what? And taking out some features?!'

Europe and Australia really got shafted by Sony when they released the 60gb PS3 without full BC and charged MORE for it! How did Euro gamers respond? They loved it - and bought several of them. The U.S. gamer - who decided the price for the 20gb and 60gb PS3s were too high - balked, hence the price cuts and carrots dangled to U.S. gamers. The other regions didn't get that. And that's sad. Sony was like 'Take this or else' and a lot of Euro gamers jumped at the chance.

I am still trying to understand that mentality. I used to be like that, but I grew a backbone and started taking a stand. 

leo-j said: PS3 is going to boom in 2008.

QFT. Once all the kiddies get their Christmas present they will get games. If you look at Assasins Creed and COD4 those sales #'s dont lie. When the "name" games come out they will do great.

 Sonys major hurdle is price which they have chipped away at considerably.

madskillz said: StanGable said: I have a question! How come Europeans buy PS3 way more than Americans? We have almost similar tastes except in sport games and perhaps party-type games (SingPop Star is like a flop here). I can understand Japan cuz they definitely have their niche group with videogames, but Europe? I would think after all the shit that Sony did to Europe I would tell them to fuck off. I now believe that Europeans are actually against American made products unlike Japan with this whole issue of them not buying foreign products in some other thread posted a while back. I think a lot has to do with brand loyalty. For the U.S., most of us are gaming mercenaries. We love our brands, but let the sequel to it come out too expensive or lacking in value, and they will go the other way. I know a few Europeans, and they love the PS brand. They were going to buy it as soon as it hit, regardless of the lack of features. Here in the U.S., some folks will do that, but a lot of us are like 'Whoa! You are charging me what? And taking out some features?!' Europe and Australia really got shafted by Sony when they released the 60gb PS3 without full BC and charged MORE for it! How did Euro gamers respond? They loved it - and bought several of them. The U.S. gamer - who decided the price for the 20gb and 60gb PS3s were too high - balked, hence the price cuts and carrots dangled to U.S. gamers. The other regions didn't get that. And that's sad. Sony was like 'Take this or else' and a lot of Euro gamers jumped at the chance. I am still trying to understand that mentality. I used to be like that, but I grew a backbone and started taking a stand.

 America is also a country full of lemmings. The home shopping network is proof of such, the 360's reliability will be a massive factor in spreading good vibes worldwide, it's not an easy fix for some country's. I know the new models are far more reliable but you never know which one on the store shelfs is looking at you funny ;) The 360 has some great software, but aside from that it doesn't offer anything else. The PS3 has more functionality, and the Wii is cheaper. So brand loyalty is definitely a factor, but it's not the deciding factor on NOT buying a 360, it's offered plenty of it's own reasons to avoid.

Anyway I think PS3 software is doing fine, it's got a decent attach rate and the market is expanding :)