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Helios said:

PS. Khuutra, I hope you will forgive me if I found your first post in this thread a little bit humorous in light of Sakamoto's aforementioned ignorance of the Prime series.

Would you say that he, given his position, has a greater responsibility than you towards the series?

Listen, if he wants to ignore Other M too, I will forgive him for it.

More seriously, yes, I think he has taken that responsibility on himself, and ignoring them is effectively declaring them non-canon. He has to take responsibility for the things he ignores and the things he doesn't make, because he is the head of the IP but does not own it.



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@OP:

The title is wrong: who decided Samus is gaming's greatest heroine? Greater than Lara Croft? Please!

Narrow it to "Nintendo's greatest heroine" and then the discussion can really start...    And it can end too, as the two factions will never agree!   



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Alby_da_Wolf said:

@OP:

The title is wrong: who decided Samus is gaming's greatest heroine? Greater than Lara Croft? Please!

Narrow it to "Nintendo's greatest heroine" and then the discussion can really start...    And it can end too, as the two factions will never agree!   


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I haven't played this game, so maybe it really does suck. I personally think you're all wrong anyway; Samus was obviously a neurotic psycho in prevvious games. But so what? A new silent Metroid game will be made in a couple of years, either in 1st person, as a 3D action game, or as a sidescroller, people will love it, and the series will continue.



Khuutra said:

 

8: Why do you keep painting this as inherently feminine? It's not. These are the actions of someone who's seeking validation in spite of accomplishing more than a galaxy's worth of armies, some who seeks validation from a father figure in spite of the fact that she's accomplished more than he has, more than all the people he's ever commanded put otgether, more than all the people he's ever known put together. How is that feminine? How can you possibly not see this as problematic?


This caught my interest and I wanted to reply to it. I'm not really disagreeing or agreeing with you, but I wanted to talk about this statement.

 

I don't know what you mean by problematic, but I don't necessarily see it as feminine. What I do see it as is human. We are always looking for the appreciation and acknowledgement of those closest to us. It matters not what we physically accomplish, but what those who are close to us think of us. Knowing that someone you love and care for thinks highly of you is more important than any physical achievement you could ever accomplish. We're humans. We're complicated.

 

If I am seen as a hero in the eyes of my girlfriend, that means more to me than what 1 million other people think about me. I will always strive to be her hero and to have her look upon me as one. No physical accomplishment I make in this world means anything to me if she doesn't see me as a hero.



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wfz said:


This caught my interest and I wanted to reply to it. I'm not really disagreeing or agreeing with you, but I wanted to talk about this statement.

I don't know what you mean by problematic, but I don't necessarily see it as feminine. What I do see it as is human. We are always looking for the appreciation and acknowledgement of those closest to us. It matters not what we physically accomplish, but what those who are close to us think of us. Knowing that someone you love and care for thinks highly of you is more important than any physical achievement you could ever accomplish. We're humans. We're complicated.

If I am seen as a hero in the eyes of my girlfriend, that means more to me than what 1 million other people think about me. I will always strive to be her hero and to have her look upon me as one. No physical accomplishment I make in this world means anything to me if she doesn't see me as a hero.

My argument is that superchunk's framing was that her behavior was feminine. Framing servility and a need for approval as feminine is problematic, and I don't think I need to explain why.

The fact that this characterization is not appropriate for Samus or the Metroid universe in general is kind of beside that point, though I will still argue it.



Not at all, then again I do not read into every little detail of the games I play and accuse them of being this or that. Its a fun game I have 100% it 2 times and have started another game save.



Khuutra said:
wfz said:


This caught my interest and I wanted to reply to it. I'm not really disagreeing or agreeing with you, but I wanted to talk about this statement.

I don't know what you mean by problematic, but I don't necessarily see it as feminine. What I do see it as is human. We are always looking for the appreciation and acknowledgement of those closest to us. It matters not what we physically accomplish, but what those who are close to us think of us. Knowing that someone you love and care for thinks highly of you is more important than any physical achievement you could ever accomplish. We're humans. We're complicated.

If I am seen as a hero in the eyes of my girlfriend, that means more to me than what 1 million other people think about me. I will always strive to be her hero and to have her look upon me as one. No physical accomplishment I make in this world means anything to me if she doesn't see me as a hero.

My argument is that superchunk's framing was that her behavior was feminine. Framing servility and a need for approval as feminine is problematic, and I don't think I need to explain why.

The fact that this characterization is not appropriate for Samus or the Metroid universe in general is kind of beside that point, though I will still argue it.

I'd like to hear you expand on what you mean, actually. I don't quite understand it. Why doesn't this particular characterization, wanting Adam's approval after all she's done, fit with her? Do you disagree that it is a very human trait?

Like I just said, I find that trait to be very human. Since Samus is a human, I completely understood and could even completely sympathize with her on that regard. Why do you feel it didn't fit? Is it because of her previous characterization in the Prime games?

My view is that we never really got to know her on a personal level before, and we could only see her outer shell. The same goes for numerous people who pass by me on a daily basis. They'd never know that behind my shell is a complex and very emotional person who relies on the praise of those closest to him. The person I am to my classmates is a very different person than my family see me as. I show different sides to people depending on how close I am to them. Going by that, we've seen this new closer side of Samus that is normally hidden behind her shell.

I completely understand if you don't like her "inside feelings" that Sakamoto has given her, but considering that I find them very human, I can only say I agree that it could make sense for her to be like that on the inside, even if she's saved the world a hundred times and blown up 3 planets.

 

As far as the whole "authorizing" situation goes, I agree that it is a perfectly suitable gameplay element but a little crazy on the narrative side. I don't want to get into that discussion however.



So people look at Samus like ....some kind of Marcus Phoenix with breasts, right?



alfredofroylan said:

So people look at Samus like ....some kind of Marcus Phoenix with breasts, right?

More like Gordon Freeman with breasts (or even Link with Breasts, really)



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