GT5 with Move? I can play arcade racers with a joystick, I guess I could also with a "floating" wheel using a WiiMote or Move, like those simple wheels for Wii,  but I wouldn't play a simulation racer with anything else than wheel and pedals.

This said, I can see Move suitable for a lot of other games, both casual and hardcore. Hardcore games with melee fight parts could be even more hardcore with Move, and even shooting and archery could be very hardcore with it, if aim assistance is totally switched off.

OTOH, with some assistance and simplifications on, the system can become casual too.

quoting the perfect post for a thread like this

Of those games I cannot recommend any to my friends because they are "so hardcore", they will not be caught playing eyepet even if they are payed to do it. And they already finished Resident Evil 5, so for my friends there are no games for the move. At this point I can only thell them that its better to buy a Wii, that way at least they can play some of the Nintendo franchises and the few games they can be interested in.

What about R.U.S.E. then?

And Heavy Rain will be out soon with Move support, as will MAG and NBA 2k11.

two controllers and a nav

what is the nav for again i'm confused

for movement, think of it as the wii nunchuk

R.U.S.E. its the only "hardcore" enough choice for my friends, but they are not big fans of the genre.

Heavy Rain its a no-no, some already beat the game and the other were not interested enough in the title to buy it anyway as the Move doesn't add actual content the first group will not play it again, and for the second group its not different enough to warrant a purchase.

MAG its a very interesting choice, but its not out yet so I still can't recommend it, when its released I will.

NBA 2k11, also not out yet, but they will not buy it just for the move options, they will buy it only if they were already interested.

Thanks for the options, now I have one to check for reviews and one waiting for the support, but at least that's better than nothing.

ahh thats right i remember now

but i thought you didn't need it either am i right

it's not 100% necessary because your DS3 does the same thing but is not as comfortable to hold.

Two big differences:

1. The Navigation Its wireless, the nunchuck is not.

2. The navigation doesn't recognize movement, the nunchuck does.