Yes. I'm trying to explain exactly what parts of Zelda 1 I want emphasised in the new game. The qualities I listed are pretty much what is different between Zelda 1 and all 3D Zelda games.

Such a Zelda would have to be brought up to date - not only graphically, but the modern feel of a game - more leniency on saving/dying, gaining an overworld teleport faster in the game and in-game map that you build up. The style of dungeon rooms, NPC caves, and enemy AI need not be as repetitive as the orginal and should vary to keep it interesting. If I just say "I want Zelda 1 in 3D with M-Plus" then people will assume some sort of remake that keeps those things the same for the sake of nostalgia.

I'm not completely set on the need-no-items thing, it's just a design ideal that could be bent/broken in actual production. Just to emphasise that it is not linear in item order and all of the items have a use but don't have to function as a key/lock.

Interesting. A really free-form Zelda without the quest-based stuff from Elder Scrolls while maintaining a very competent action-game core.

Could work. Especially if they pull off Ganon right.

At the very least it would be sufficiently different from anything else on the market to stand out.

If they want another Ocarina sequel for the guaranteed 2.5m sales, a lot of third-party teams would be able to follow the formula with a decent result if they outsourced it. The internal 'Zelda team' should be trying new things (and not as in "trains" or "turning into a wolf".

EDIT: My game description was posted BEFORE I read today's Malstrom rant. It reads almost word-for-word like what I wrote about Zelda.

Well Ocarina of Time. :D (Majora's Mask is a close second). But I'd much rather prefer they surprise me in a new way.

The Direction of the franchise recently is fine for me. I liked Spirit Tracks, and Twilight Princess. I didn't love them as much as my favorite. But they were damn fine games nonetheless and I'm not going to bitch about it. I haven't played Minish Cap, Four Swords or Phantom Hourglass though.

Let's see what I'd do... well, Probably more creative with the plot... and no I don't mean cutscenes. I don't know exactly what I want. Surprise me... maybe link is really a woman (O_o) or something like that only less silly haha.

The artstyle of Wind Waker is not my taste despite many people liking it here. But The Skyward Sword has a very nice artstyle. I'm loving it so far.

The gameplay I mean... I dunno. Add more RPG elements... but not too many. I can't say exactly. Don't use the wii mote :P

I'd say add voice acting (Mario Should Really add this it would be hilarious I think). With the option to turn it off and read text. I mean I want them to this well. And this would be more difficult than mario... as zelda isn't that silly. And once Again. I don't mean make it dramatic, and I don't want a lot of talking, there could even be less talking. I just want good voice acting instead of pressing the button. I feel if done well this good enhance the atmosphere of zelda.

oh so many things that would make the game perfect...at least for me:

1. Story and characters: this is a tough one. i kinda want a bigger, deeper, slightly darker story(with a few good twists) with a different style than "go through three dungeons, plot point, three more dungeons, repeat", but then i dont want anything to big. the characters need to feel more...life like. Link still doesnt "talk", but, when talking to someone, you can have a conversation with that person using several different ways to respond to a question or statement a la  Mass Effect. your responses can change the game later on. Zelda will have more of a wiseness about her(like in TP) Ganondorf will be far more of an evil character, which means he may have to kill a main character(possibly link, which would lead to a dungeon in the "spirit world" where you have to escape and find your body), slauter a village, or completely decieve Link and friends in some way. i think if there were an alternate ending(2-3 endings in all), it would open more possibilities for later games.

2: progression: the game would have less linearity and you would be able to tackle dungeons in the order you choose. this means that each of the starting dungeons would be able to be completeable without any of the items. thats not without saying, items can make beating a dungeon quicker and easier, or youll be able to find more items and secrets.

3. the world: I think the world needs to be larger and more seemless. the world is no longer divided into zones and there are alot more secrets and mini-dungeons scattered about the world. Dungeons are much more seemless too.

4. Items: I think there should be alot of new items, as well as some returning old ones. there should be alot more items, each that has a purpose right down to the very end of the game, no matter how small. money should be of more use but slightly harder to find (thats where side-quests come in).

5. Combat: fighting will obviously be 1:1 (sorta) and be far more intense. more dangerous and more varied. Enemies will be more varied and more threatening. some strategy will be required other than wildly flinging your sword or repeating the same exact attack patter over and over again. Bosses will be massive and far harder to fight. the weak points wont be as obvious, and alot more strategy will be required to fight it. the bosses will not always be confined to an arena. An idea i had was, after beating the dungeon, you have a quick confrantation with the boos. after beating this quick confrantation, the real boss fight begins when the boss begins to destroy the whole dungeon. the battle centers around escaping the crumbling dungeon while still trying to fight the boss, which all leads up to an epic final fight outside of the destroyed dungeon.

6.Tingle:....no....just no......

so there you have it. at least part of it since im in a hurry. what do you all think? if i think of something else ill be sure to post it!

SHUSH!!! The timeline as it is is more confusing than reading Beowulf in Old English.

lol. hear me out on this one. Skyward Sword is (supposedly) a prequel to OoT. lets say that, at the end of SS, the Ocarina of time is made and the Deku Tree is planted (or other events obviously leading into OoT). but, if you introduce an alternate ending, achieved by a choice made erlier in the game (i dont like the metroid "complete it this fast and with these items" way of doing it) so pivotal, it changes most of the game. this leads to an alternate ending, opening up a whole new time line, seperate from the OoT time line. this means nintendo has a clean slate to create a time-line than can actually be followed.

oh and i think it would be too cool if Link died sometime in the game. possibly sacrificing himself or being dragged to death with ganondorf after the final battle. or (like i said above) Ganondorf kills Link and Link has escape a "spirit" or Nether" world and find his body.

So now you want to make Half-Life even more confusing too!!!!!

Might as well outline my own idea. It comes from the perspective of playing a lot of games in the series and considering what elements I found engaging in each one.

1. Constant menace.

What I mean here is that everywhere I go in the overworld, something should be trying to kill me. Remember when the Stalkids popped up for the first time in OoT and started chasing you? Something like that. I want towns and villages to be safe havens, and even those should have little dangers. When I'm in the Overworld, though? Fight or flight better be the whole thing: enemies are dangerous, and there will be cases where some people will choose to flee. The world should be out to get me, and the only answer is to kick its ass.

Imagine if there was a tract of land dangerous enough that there's no reasonable way for a moderately skilled player to get past it early in the game, but they have to in norder to progress at some point. Imagine that in order to safely progress, they need to activate an item or an ability or wait for an event that makes the enemies temporarily non-threatening, but it's bound to run out - and it always runs out before you can make it, so the last leg of the journey is guaranteed to be a mad dash away from creatures that could kill you in two hits and very seriously want to murder you. I like the idea of menace translating into tension.

2. Labyrinthean but coherent landscape.

I want it to take srious work to get from one end of the map to the other, or at least take knowledge of how the land is laid out. Instead of being long stretches of open plains (which are fun to ride over, I grant) there should be geographical obstacles everywhere that needed to be surmounted. More, I want to be able to fight my way into territory that I'm in no way prepared to take on. If I have three hearts and am fighting enemies who do two hearts per hit? Awesome. If I fight my way through this territory and find myself in a place where I can't advance because I lack the necessary item or skill? Even better. If I die on the way back, I restart outside of the area anyway, so no problem.

And when I say "coherent"? I mean I want to climb Death Mountain, turn around, and be able to pick out landmarks at a distance. I want to be able to look anywhere and say "How do I get there?" and eventually there is an answer. I kind of had this feeling in Ocarina of Time, looking up at Death Mountain: seeing a place before you can go to it is mighty enticing.

3. Seeing what I'm up against right off the bat.

Now "seeing" and "knowing" are really different. Remember when Skullkid was the second character you saw in Majora's Mask? Or when Aganhim appeared in the boot-up cutscene for Link to the Past? Or Ganondorf was shown wreathed in fire before you walked into the Deku Tree? You don't have to know exactly what the nature of the threat is, but I like having a face to fixate on as my antagonist.

4. Enemy/Weapon synergy.

Now I don't mean that some enemies take certain weapons to defeat - that's okay for some enemies, but it shouldn't be the norm. Most should be completely killable with nothing but the sword. But I want items to be useful on some enemies.

See this?



This is the best item in Zelda history, and when they're making items in this ideal Zelda they should look at this. In fact, this is my point of reference. This item can smash obstacles, allowing level and puzzle progression. It can be dodged by limber enemies, making it useless on small quick things, but the damage it does would be tremendous enough to bowl over medium-sized enemies and be much more efficient than your sword on large, lumbering creatures. If you see something bad-ass enough to slap this aside, you should be crapping your pants in terror. I want that kind of logic applied to every single item in the game when it comes to combat.

5. Increased focus on surviving bosses.

Almost every boss in modern Zelda games is primarily about figuring out how to kill them. That's fine. It's one of the best parts, and is why battles are often so fun. But I agree with the old-timers when they say that they wish bosses were harder, and boss fights felt more like fights; few modern Zelda bosses get this as well as they should. So every boss fight should retain the element of "how the Hell do I kill this thing" that they currently have, while adding an "AGH HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO DODGE THIS THING".

Helmasaur King is kind of the golden ideal as far as this goes. Or LttP Ganon.

6. Active Story-Telling (tm).

This doesn't mean more cutscenes - cutscenes are fine and dandy, but they're not exactly what I want. What I want is to have to actively initiate the fleshing out of the world around me, like with Gossip Stones or sidequests in Majora's Mask or even the Scan Visor in Metroid Primie. The world takes on a much more serious, more immediate sense of life when I have ot learn about it through effort, and this also alleviates the problem some people have with having lore shoved down their throats.

I love lore. But I also like having to search it out.

7. Scenario built around mechanics, and music built around scenario.

The games so far are pretty good about this, but I want to reiterate the point for the sake of doing it. Take a gameplay concept, build a scenario around that, then music around the scenario. Anything that begins with "Link can turn into a Goron, a Zora, or a Deku Sprout" and ends up with this:



Is a good process. I love Zelda music, and building it around the scenario makes things incredible. I would not presume to say what they sould do with either the scenario or the music; I enjoy both enough that I trust whatever they would come up wit. Except this:

8. Let Aonuma build the scenario, without any restrictions.

He doesn't have to be the director. He doesn't have to be the writer. I do want him to make the scenario (based around the mechanics) because I like his scenarios a lot, particularly Majora's Mask. If Majora's Mask is him at his least constrained, then he needs to have his shackles off all the time.

9. If the scenario includes Ganon, play on his classic strengths.

Twilight Princess and Wind Waker had the best characterizations of Ganon in different ways, but Twilight Princess in particular missed out on what is perhaps the biggest source of menace in any Ganon fight from 1998 or before (plus Puppet Ganon):

Ganon is at his most terrifying when you can't see him clearly. Ganondorf works best as a visual threat who's imposing in his physicality, but Ganon is lent menace by not having a precise idea of what he looks like. His invisibility in the first game; his partial invisibility in Link to the Past; the fact that you basically fight him in the dark in Ocarina of Time, so you can only see the glow of his eyes and the gleam of his swords and the vague suggestion of bulk stading out against the shadows.

Ganon should be a creature of terror, and this is aided by the principle of being more afraid of things you can't clearly see. This principle isn't subverted by modern graphics, either: those only serve to enhance the effect.

10. Delineation between dungeons and the overworld.

I want there to be two modes in Zelda: safe and unsafe. Safe is somewhere like Lon Lon Ranch or Kakariko Village. Unsafe is the Overworld and the dungeons that it contains.

You know Yeto's Manse in Twilight Princess? One of the best dungeons in the game sheerly because you could be so far into it and not realize you were in a dungeon until you got a map. That's what I would like to see: the removal of the expectation that the Overworld is less dangerous than a dungeon, and the inability to tell when one melts into the other. You could get dungeon items in towns to further blur the line, and bosses wouldn't be limited to appearing in dungeons (I think they mentioned planning something like this for Skyward Sword and it has me very excited)

11. Dope-ass dungeon puzzles.

Because I like dungeon puzzles. Son.

I guess that's really all I have. None of these are necessary, and I want it understood that no Zelda game is like what I describe but they are still the best games in the world; this is just a melting pot of some of my favorite elements combined with all the elements I find most exciting.

Basically like Windwaker.

Thats my ultimate Zelda game and I'd love to see it expanded upon in the future. 

Perhaps add in a plane this time?