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Griffin said:

i would also like to say i live in Canada and the amount of hatred towards Catholics is 10x worse then any for another group of people.

Explain this hatred please. I'm actually curious what you're talking about.



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Xbbjf9s said:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39081887/ns/business-careers?GT1=43001

 

The anti-Muslim sentiment seen across the nation in opposition to mosque building and even a Florida pastor's threat to burn the holy book of Islam, the Quran, increasingly is showing up at the workplace.

Claims of discrimination against Muslim workers — which spiked immediately after 9/11 and then dissipated — are showing signs of resurgence.

“There is a hatred, an open hatred, and a lack of tolerance for people who are Muslim,” said Mary Jo O’Neill, regional attorney for the Phoenix district office of the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission. She said she has seen an uptick in discrimination complaints among Muslim workers in her region, which includes Arizona, Colorado, Wyoming, Utah and New Mexico.

“I think the mosque in Manhattan seems to be a flashpoint, but it taps into feelings that preceded it,” she said. “The feeling among people in the workplace,” she added, is “not only are we not going to accommodate your practices and beliefs, we’re also going to ridicule you and call you names.”

Claims of bias against Muslims in the workplace rose to 1,490 last year from 1,304 in 2008 and just 697 in 2004, according to EEOC figures. Last year's total was even higher than in the year after the 9/11 attacks, when bias claims hit 1,463. Figures from this year are not yet available.

A poll released last month by the Pew Research Center that shows that the public’s view of  Islam has deteriorated, with only 30 percent of Americans expressing a favorable opinion of Islam, compared with 41 percent in 2005.

“One can easily conclude that since the general situation is so unfavorable when it comes to Muslims that this negative idea is carried into the workplace,” said Shams Inati, a professor at the Center for Arab and Islamic Studies at Villanova University.

O’Neill said the bias against Muslims in the workplace is the worst she has seen in her 30-plus years working for the EEOC and described it as “chilling.”

The suit claims the company discriminated against Somali and Muslim employees at its headquarters in Greeley, Colo., and another one of its facilities in Grand Island, Neb.

The suit alleges a pattern of discrimination and a failure to accommodate the workers’ religious requirements for prayer breaks. The charges also include a series of abusive behavior among JBS employees.

“Managers, supervisors, and other employees regularly threw blood, meat, and bones at the Somali and Muslim employees,” the EEOC suit alleges. “There was offensive anti-Somali, anti-Muslim and anti-Black graffiti present in the restrooms."

JBS officials did not respond to a request for comment on the suit.

“I keep thinking we’re making strides and then we go through bad periods like this,” said O’Neill. Making matters worse, she said, is the bad economy. “With hard economic times scapegoating goes on. If we had full employment and plenty of jobs, this gets buried a little bit.”

Another case making headlines involves a Disney hotel hostess in California who supposedly was sent home last month because she refused to take off her hijab, an Islamic headscarf.

Disney spokeswoman Suzi Brown said the worker, Imane Boudal, 26, was offered the option of working away from public view or wearing headwear the company thought would more appropriately fit in the theme of its hotel.

“She’s chosen, over and over again, to reject all the options presented to her,” Brown said.

“Disney has apparently worked to hide Imane's hijab, fearful the sight of hijab would adversely impact its guests,"  Boudlal’s lawyer Ameena Mirza Qazi wrote in the Orange County Register. "Imane, on the other hand, has worked in good faith to show up to work eight times and try on their options, as demeaning and contrary to their agreement as they were, and was consistently sent home without pay.”

Hiding a worker’s religious displays from public view because an employer is fearful how customers will perceive them is not allowed under the nation’s labor laws, legal experts said.

“You can’t say to a receptionist, ‘I don’t want you wearing headgear because it drives customers away,’” if the attire is religiously based, said Danielle Urban, an employment attorney with Fisher & Phillips in Denver.

Decisions on what an employer can legally forbid are based on whether the request from an employee is reasonable and can be accommodated, she explained. If wearing a headscarf is a safety issue on a production line, for example, then an employer may be allowed to bar such scarves.

“But it’s not a reasonable request to honor someone else’s bigotry,” she added.

Urban said she has been getting calls lately from employers asking about worker attire, including things like tattoos and piercing that workers claim are part of their religions or national origin.

She also got a call from a car dealership last year asking about an employee who had converted to Islam and started wearing a hijab.

“They wanted to move her to the back. They were worried about what their customers would think,” said Urban, who advised the employer not to move her.

The Muslim community is taking steps to quell some of the bias.

A coalition of Muslim Americans, under the name MyFaithMyVoice, produced a public service announcement this month including average Muslim Americans in a cacophony of voices asking Americans not to fear them.

“Our hope is the PSA will address the general fear that people have about Muslims and Islam in America,” said Rabiah Ahmed, a spokeswoman for the group. “We hope it will help when people deal with colleagues, students and neighbors.”

“What I have found is sad,” she said . “In the Muslim community, many are confused and don’t know what to do. They want to be more accepted, and some wonder if changing the way they’re dressed will do it. They want to try their best to prove that they are good.”

This last statement is really sad.

 

Whats really sad is they want tolerance, but wont give it !  If YOU are ANY religion, except theirs.. try going over to Mecca and setting up a buddhist, hinduist, christian, baha's, etc in Mecca the land of Islam and guess what ?  Not only will you NOT be ALLOWED to build a church, You WONT be Tolerated and you have a good chance of being be-headed.  FACT: many muslims take individual quotes and say look " we aren't killers" because in this modern age they know if they defend their religion they have to show its a peaceful one.  So why is their 'bible' the Quran also have many individual references that say its ok to kill ( or at least make it look that way ?)  There ARE NO verses in any other religion that make it clear ( or even questionable ) that GOD wants you to take someone elses life ( as if he can't on HIS own) ..The Qur'an: Qur'an (2:191-193) - "And slay(yes kill) them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]...and fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah."..

The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers.  Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding.  Muslims who do not join the fight are called 'hypocrites' and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter.

And Tolerance??  Qur'an (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be ONLY for Allah"  .. Only ? Sounds like tolerance to me.

The problem I have with muslims defending islam as purely peaceful either don't read their Quran ( islam bible ) or even worse.. many professed islams are ILLITERATE !  Yes, they are like people who profess to be Christian, but never read their bible and therefore don't know anything.

Muslims also have a word in their language in which it is OK to lie in the name of their religion. 



sapphi_snake said:
Griffin said:
sapphi_snake said:
Griffin said:
sapphi_snake said:
CommunistHater said:

All you cynical young men spew your hate while imagining the hate of others.  The facts in America are that white people are the victim of more hate crimes than any other race.  Hate crimes against whites are rarely punished.  The prejudice you young men raised on the internet have against christians is the greatest anti-religous movement in history.

Delusional much?


Its called the truth, and the fact you think he is "Delusional" is just more proof of the hatred and prejudice towards that specific group.

The fact that they can no longer walk over people is not discrimination towards them.

BTW: I have lots of friends who are white, male and Christians

Having friends that are white or christian proves nothing, you are still showing hatred towards this group of people.  By ignoring the troubles the white people face on a daily basis.

I myself am a white male. I'm more likely to face trouble due to the fact that I'm an atheist than to the fact that I'm white or a male.

Just be glad you live in a country or location where hatred towards the white race is not high.  Any western country where the population of a certian area is not highly white the white people suffer from discrimination all the time.



rf40928 said:

Whats really sad is they want tolerance, but wont give it !  If YOU are ANY religion, except theirs.. try going over to Mecca and setting up a buddhist, hinduist, christian, baha's, etc in Mecca the land of Islam and guess what ?  Not only will you NOT be ALLOWED to build a church, You WONT be Tolerated and you have a good chance of being be-headed.  FACT: many muslims take individual quotes and say look " we aren't killers" because in this modern age they know if they defend their religion they have to show its a peaceful one.  So why is their 'bible' the Quran also have many individual references that say its ok to kill ( or at least make it look that way ?)  There ARE NO verses in any other religion that make it clear ( or even questionable ) that GOD wants you to take someone elses life ( as if he can't on HIS own) ..The Qur'an: Qur'an (2:191-193) - "And slay(yes kill) them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]...and fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah."..

The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers.  Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding.  Muslims who do not join the fight are called 'hypocrites' and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter.

And Tolerance??  Qur'an (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be ONLY for Allah"  .. Only ? Sounds like tolerance to me.

The problem I have with muslims defending islam as purely peaceful either don't read their Quran ( islam bible ) or even worse.. many professed islams are ILLITERATE !  Yes, they are like people who profess to be Christian, but never read their bible and therefore don't know anything.

Muslims also have a word in their language in which it is OK to lie in the name of their religion. 

What goes on in Saudi Arabia is of no concern to a muslim living in the West. Are you suggesting the West become like Saudi Arabia?



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

Griffin said:

Just be glad you live in a country or location where hatred towards the white race is not high.  Any western country where the population of a certian area is not highly white the white people suffer from discrimination all the time.

I already asked you to detail this hatred you're talking about. I'm quite curious what exactly you're talking about.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

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sapphi_snake said:
Griffin said:

i would also like to say i live in Canada and the amount of hatred towards Catholics is 10x worse then any for another group of people.

Explain this hatred please. I'm actually curious what you're talking about.

The fact that entire religion is blanketed with being called pedo's, rapists, sexist, and a religion protecting child molestion.



Griffin said:
sapphi_snake said:
Griffin said:

i would also like to say i live in Canada and the amount of hatred towards Catholics is 10x worse then any for another group of people.

Explain this hatred please. I'm actually curious what you're talking about.

The fact that entire religion is blanketed with being called pedo's, rapists, sexist, and a religion protecting child molestion.

Hmmm... kinda like the same way the entire Islamic religion and its' followers are blaketed with beeing called terrorists?



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

mhsillen said:
whatever said:
mhsillen said:
Vetteman94 said:

I am glad I work for a company that does not tolerate these kind of things.  Although I have not witnessed any backash/bias against any muslims at my place of work either.  It seems more companies need better diversity training.  


You mean indoctrination

I always question that kind of training 

Wow, watch Fox news much? 

Watch fox news much?  That means nothing, I can think on my own.  Can you come up with a better comment?

I don't want anybody to train me in want they want me to believe.  Maybe you don't think for yourself but I do.

No I watch south park much.  Do you watch MSNBC much?

You make a ridiculous comment that "diversity training = indoctrination" and I'm supposed to come up with a better comment?



whatever said:
mhsillen said:
whatever said:
mhsillen said:
Vetteman94 said:

I am glad I work for a company that does not tolerate these kind of things.  Although I have not witnessed any backash/bias against any muslims at my place of work either.  It seems more companies need better diversity training.  


You mean indoctrination

I always question that kind of training 

Wow, watch Fox news much? 

Watch fox news much?  That means nothing, I can think on my own.  Can you come up with a better comment?

I don't want anybody to train me in want they want me to believe.  Maybe you don't think for yourself but I do.

No I watch south park much.  Do you watch MSNBC much?

You make a ridiculous comment that "diversity training = indoctrination" and I'm supposed to come up with a better comment?

 

I do not as an adult want to be indoctrinated by what a few indoctrination engineers have to say.

When I was in collage I had to take a sexual harassment coarse  which was all slanted for woman against men. Guess what woman in the office were equal or worse than the guys.  I do not need to be taught when the courses are onesided hate fests.

I think for myself, most people can

I don't need fox news or msnbc or cnn tell me what to think either 

Please explain what fox news has to do with anything? You must know me since you think I watch fox news.  It sounds like you have a great fear of fox news. 3 million out of the population watch that network

That is a small percentage so don't fear the fox .  Sounds like the fox news comment was actually ridiculous.  If you watch south park there is a very perceptive episode "death camp of tolerance" watch it



sapphi_snake said:
Griffin said:
sapphi_snake said:
Griffin said:

i would also like to say i live in Canada and the amount of hatred towards Catholics is 10x worse then any for another group of people.

Explain this hatred please. I'm actually curious what you're talking about.

The fact that entire religion is blanketed with being called pedo's, rapists, sexist, and a religion protecting child molestion.

Hmmm... kinda like the same way the entire Islamic religion and its' followers are blaketed with beeing called terrorists?

yes, but diffrence is, the people who call muslims terrorists are usually not from middle east or any islamic country, while people who insult christianity are usually from (or live in) chrisitian country. It really makes me sick.  I think that was his point in his 1st post