You two... get a room... >_>

355 more and I can be tied with Leo.

well that's my opinion..idk how it's a 360 hate thread.. I'm not hating on anything there

A console partisan's battle to win the hearts and minds to their console of choice, is neverending, and kinda lonely as they believe they must put up the good fight, or the battle will be lost.  It is a bit like a tower defense game, except you are the only tower in the game.

I'm pretty sure the dev is talking garbage and will be proved wrong like 99% of other Kinect bashing threads that get posted on here, until then I'm not gonna change your opinion Leo so no debate really.

LOL.

Talk about a ridiculous meltdown dude.   Take a chill pill.   KZ2 can't cost more than $30 at this point.  I mean it is almost 2 years old at this point.  What is the point in trading it in?  For 5 dollars in trade in?    Beyond that you're just raging hardcore.

So what if a negative article is released about Kinect?  It's certainly not the first and certainly won't be the last.  Get over it.  Just because your preferred console releases a new peripheral doesn't bullet proof it from being a potential piece of garbage.

I love reading any and all information I can about products that I will dump money into.  It helps you build a logical picture of a product before you even get to try it out for yourself.

Personally,  I can say that I believe Kinect(From reading,hearing,seeing neutral / biased (each way) sources ) is going to be an expensive, limited, money sink.  To me, Kinect will be like SegaCD.  I remember Sega touting it as a 'whole new console' and all of that PR garbage too.   I have witnessed mis-steps of Kinect all along.   From showing it off but showing very little 'actual' gameplay....from obvious problems and issues with it from day one.......showing off Vaporware like 'Milo'...Or not being able to play sitting down....or no you can play sitting down....you can play with all your friends...oh no you can play with two friends.....Or the famous.. "Well you can't expect any true 'core' games to come out for Kinect for atleast a full year".....just a lot of misinformation/false advertising/putting potential customers through the ringer is going along with Kinect.    

Even looking at the most 'upbeat' reviews (From biased) sources,  You don't have tons of positive things to gleam on with Kinect.  You read a lot of things like "Should be great for the casuals!!"   which to me means,  "We're going to put tons of terrible, mediocre, shovelware games on this system and that's about it".   Which with the relative lack of first party studios Microsoft has....Is almost a certainty.   We all know how third party developers feel about 'new' technology. 

Anytime, you get a company putting more into hyping a product than showing it off you know you are being put through the total marketing ringer.

As someone who was 50/50 on the Wii and overall disappointed with their motion controls and preferred the outputs from Sony/MS this generation...I can say that between Kinect and Move.  

Move flat out is a more interesting/more appealing to purchase product.   Quite conversely from Kinect,  the Move has been in the hands of several neutral / biased (both ways) sources and really the 'worst'  I have read about it (From the most biased of sources) is that it's a Wii Motion Plus.    The best on the contrary has compared it to a generational leap above the Wii Motion Plus and will definitely make Motion controls huge in the eyes of even 'hardcore' gamers.   

You add-on the fact, that Sony is actually taken a proven strategy of success and just building it better and you have a recipe for a better product.   You also have a recipe for tons of  varying quality third party games going to PS3/Wii only.   

Lastly,  at the end of the day Move will have all of Sony's first party studios support and when you think about it, it will even have superior third party support (Since Wii contains around 49% of the market and PS3 is like 24% and they both rely on the same fundamental concept).  Where do you think a majority of these resources will go?  You guessed it Wii / PS3.    These factors alone will trump any amount software outputs made for Kinect by third parties / Microsoft.

To sum it up (These are the true facts of the situation as I see it):

Move has a hardware advantage (By taking a proven concept and adding to it and by all first-hand accounts thus far just works 'better') .

Move has a software advantage ( By having more first party, third party support and the ability to tap into the Wii's current exclusive third party market). 

Move has a price advantage (By having a cheaper entry point (Especially if you own a PSEye,  And yes I know the Kinect can provide more 'value'  but that's the same argument Sony tried to pander to consumers with the launch PS3.  Consumers care first and foremost about price.    I'm not sure but what is the pricing on Software?  Move games I thought were retailing for $39.99?  What about Kinect games? 

Move will hit the market before Kinect.   This and price advantage will certainly factor into many peoples minds. This also will give Move a chance to differentiate itself from the Wii and build it's own momentum.

lol if you have no clue about boxing why do you talk about it? moving is fking important in boxing and i would love to see you fighting anywhere against another guy without using your feet (for movement not for kicking haha)

the right step at the right moment and you can give your opponent a punsh he wont survive :) or he will punsh in the air without hitting you or your block what is very bad for his power. i could give you thousand examples...

Thank you leo-j for providing us on the MS forum with valuable information once again.

I am sure Legend11 will return the favor soon.

Well to be honest I saw Deca Sports and Your Shape Fitness evolved live at PAX. After seeing how poorly the camera worked I decided to hold off on pre-ordering Kinect. Their was a minimum of a one second to two second lag in Deca Sports Boxing and I noticed lag not as bad but still noticable with Your Shape Fitness evolved.

Now at first I thought that this was just UbiSoft screwing up but I watched Kinect Adventures being played as I waited in line and that game also featured poor lag. In the end I descided to forfit my place in line at the Microsoft Kinect booth and instead go play Gears3 and Fable3. I just decided obviously the technology is not ready so why waste my time on Microsoft's junk when I can play their real games.

P.S- Dance Central did appear to be working fine, with the exception of some of the movement's on screen which appeared alittle robotic but lets face it, the technology just isn't there yet. I'll buy Kinect in two or three years once Microsoft has had time to iron it out and make it a quality product.