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whatever said:
TheRealMafoo said:
whatever said:

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/09/06/florida.quran.burning/index.html?hpt=T2


How can it possibly endanger troops? Obama's administration has told us time and time again, that the attacks on the US have nothing to do with Islamic extremest. If fact, some have gone as far as saying they don't even exist.

Islam is nothing more then a peaceful religion. To think anything other then this, is to be a racist bigoted American.

Show me one quote where someone said that the 9/11 attacks had nothing to do with Islamic extremists.

The rest of your sarcastic (and useless) comment is not worth responding to.

 



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880user088 said:
whatever said:
TheRealMafoo said:
whatever said:

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/09/06/florida.quran.burning/index.html?hpt=T2


How can it possibly endanger troops? Obama's administration has told us time and time again, that the attacks on the US have nothing to do with Islamic extremest. If fact, some have gone as far as saying they don't even exist.

Islam is nothing more then a peaceful religion. To think anything other then this, is to be a racist bigoted American.

Show me one quote where someone said that the 9/11 attacks had nothing to do with Islamic extremists.

The rest of your sarcastic (and useless) comment is not worth responding to.

 

Ah ha ha hah... he asks your proof and you give him Loose Change... 

Wait, your not seriously putting this tripe up to support what your saying



who cares?

if you wanna burn fictional books then go ahead, if you wanna real bonfire add in a Bible and a Torah for good measure!



TheRealMafoo said:

Sorry to keep posting these things, but....

"It could endanger troops and it could endanger the overall effort," Gen. Petraeus said in an interview. "It is precisely the kind of action the Taliban uses and could cause significant problems. Not just here, but everywhere in the world we are engaged with the Islamic community."

Is from that article linked above.

I am sorry, we really have things backwards here. We have a group of stupid people in Florida, who due to not liking a Mosque going up in NY, chose to burn some books. BFD, no one gets hurt, and some books go poof.

Now, in retaliation to this, we think some people around the world are going to take this information, and start killing people with it. So, one group burns books, and one group murders people, and we are apologetic about the morons in Florida?

This is like someone sticking there tong out at someone, and getting there face blown off for it, and taking the side of the guy who pulled the trigger.

If burning a book makes someone want to kill, I say bring it.


interesting how they are morons now, you were saying they were cleaver at the start of the thread. And escalation in these matters is inevitable, remember it started with an innocent mosque that was intended to help heal (maybe they should have known it would cause a shit storm but their intentions were good, if misguided IMO) then it was escalated to burning religious texts, that kind of thing is bound to cause offence and will undoubtedly lead to bigger worse acts.

Should they be prohibited by low from doing so? No they shouldn't, but that doesn't mean what they did was smart or justified. It is rude, ignorant and will lead to escalation they were stupid to do it. And no what they did in no way justifies what will be done in "revenge".

And as for "If burning a book makes someone want to kill, I say bring it." I hope you weren't being serious with that statement. Because to invite that kind of thing is just stupid.

Burning a book makes some people want to kill, and that sickens me. But it is not a new thing and there will probably always be people who will, especially as long as religion is involved. Which is one of the many reasons I think religion is wrong. Except for ones like Buddhism you can't argue with that religion.



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TheRealMafoo said:
Rath said:
TheRealMafoo said:

Sorry to keep posting these things, but....

"It could endanger troops and it could endanger the overall effort," Gen. Petraeus said in an interview. "It is precisely the kind of action the Taliban uses and could cause significant problems. Not just here, but everywhere in the world we are engaged with the Islamic community."

Is from that article linked above.

I am sorry, we really have things backwards here. We have a group of stupid people in Florida, who due to not liking a Mosque going up in NY, chose to burn some books. BFD, no one gets hurt, and some books go poof.

Now, in retaliation to this, we think some people around the world are going to take this information, and start killing people with it. So, one group burns books, and one group murders people, and we are apologetic about the morons in Florida?

This is like someone sticking there tong out at someone, and getting there face blown off for it, and taking the side of the guy who pulled the trigger.

If burning a book makes someone want to kill, I say bring it.

You're missing the point entirely. Just because you (and I think all others on this board) strongly oppose one group in this conflict, the extremist Muslims, doesn't mean you have to support the idiots burning the Quran. Both groups are doing something wrong, yes the extremist Muslims are doing something much much more wrong - doesn't make the book burners right.

You shouldn't avoid burning the Quran out of fear of being hurt by Muslims, you should avoid burning the Quran because it's an entirely offensive and unnessecary gesture of hate.

Also comparing it to sticking the tongue out at somebody completely underestimates the level of offensiveness of this, there isn't really anything left in Western culture that lives up to the level of offensiveness because we've become pretty thick skinned (mostly due to free speech) but the closest would probably be calling a black person by the 'N' word. Don't take this as condoning their violence or threats by the way, it's not, but I completely understand their anger.

So if I called someone the 'N" word, and he shot me in the face, that's understandable?

Come on. I get sick of the US and our culture always being the ones that are "wrong", when the worst we do as a people is voice our opinion and demonstrate.

You don't see Christian Extremist groups heading over to the middle east and blowing shit up.

I agree with Rath and everyone else who said similar things. What this church is doing is outrageously stupid and disrespectful, and is just a silly cry for attention to their cause. Mafoo, you're acting like muslims are the enemy when they are not. Taliban and the idiots who would join them and likewise for other similar organizations, those are the enemy.

The people who are wrong, are those who are doing acts of hatred (even if they have the right to do so) to provoke others, whether they are muslim, christian, atheist and so on.

The people who fear the mosque, do so because they are ignorant and associate muslims with the Taliban and other evil doers. Well, guess what, terrorists are humans, just like you and me, thus we must all be terrorists! Run for your lives! ;O



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Never expected any different from Christians. And people wonder how terrorists manage to recrute people.



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TheRealMafoo said:


So if I called someone the 'N" word, and he shot me in the face, that's understandable?

Come on. I get sick of the US and our culture always being the ones that are "wrong", when the worst we do as a people is voice our opinion and demonstrate.

You don't see Christian Extremist groups heading over to the middle east and blowing shit up.

Don't they do that in Western countries to abortion clinics?



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

yep, not to mention things like the Crusades, and the Israeli Jews blow up Palestinians all the time.



Just weighing quickly, I'm afraid I haven't got time to read through the comments, just the OP and the link. So forgive me.

I see this as equivalent to flag desecration, which is protected by freedom of speech in the USA. If the chruch wants to burn a copy of the Quran in protest then let them do so. But I fully expect retaliation, as the OP said people are already protesting in Indonesia. Pretty much all religious people see their religion as above any significant form of criticism. It's kind of sad, we don't really get this to such an extent with other things such as politics.

Anyway, I think the church has the right to do this and in some ways I can respect them for it, but I do kind of think it is an antagonising douchbag thing to do at the same time.