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Chrizum said:
Kasz216 said:
steverhcp02 said:

Sounds like these SPECIFIC people are doing something stupid in the name of their religion. Just like those SPECIFIC people on 9/11 did something (obviously more) stupid in the name of their religon.

Bottomline, lots of people are fucking dumb regardless of religion.

The thing that ive taken away from this, people like Mafoo who obviously have an agenda have compromised parts of their logic and humanity for politically watered down reasons which has resulted in an argument youd see on a preschool playground.

As someone else pointed out, is it illegal to be a jerk? No, but why not error on the side of being kind? Is climate change "real" Who the fuck knows, but why not error on the side of safety? Sure it may be legal, but why not be a bigger person and not argue in favor of giving people ammunition (even if its not justified) when they know its only going to cause problems? The fact that they are essentially going against a hallmark and pillar of Christ's turn the other cheek teaching makes it more laughable.....but whats really disturbing is the results in this thread going great distances to try to explain why this SHOULD happen.

We can get into link wars pointing out crazies from each others "sides" but honestly? Why cant some of you just be above it. Just because somethings within mans law doesnt mean it should be done, I'd hope everyone regardless of religious preference or political party can draw the correlation that doing things out of spite knowing they are meant to incite is just wrong. 

As others have said, if its within the law we only have ethos to argue over. But the chirch and these people get nothing productive out of doing this. It fosters hatred, is an unhealthy way of coping and accomplishes nothing. It really shouldnt even be debatable since there is really no underlying benefit to this as there is with the Mosque at all other than hatred.

Just be nice to people and dont do mean things even if youre allowed. How about that?

And... you totally missed Mafoo's point.  Which was just that.  Everyone has the right to be a jerk but shouldn't.  He was just pointing out another case of it for people who were defending someones right to be a jerk.

I think you missed Mafoo's point. Which was that it was clever to burn the quran because it 'promotes freedom of religion'.

Not that it was "Clever" and promotes freedom of religion. 

Clever because it pisses off the people who were using the same reasoning and rules to piss off other people.

As in... showing them the double edged sword of being insensitive.  Basically turning the issue on it's head and making everyone look like a hypocrit who doesn't take a libretarian view  on both issues.



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Kasz216 said:
Chrizum said:
Kasz216 said:
steverhcp02 said:

Sounds like these SPECIFIC people are doing something stupid in the name of their religion. Just like those SPECIFIC people on 9/11 did something (obviously more) stupid in the name of their religon.

Bottomline, lots of people are fucking dumb regardless of religion.

The thing that ive taken away from this, people like Mafoo who obviously have an agenda have compromised parts of their logic and humanity for politically watered down reasons which has resulted in an argument youd see on a preschool playground.

As someone else pointed out, is it illegal to be a jerk? No, but why not error on the side of being kind? Is climate change "real" Who the fuck knows, but why not error on the side of safety? Sure it may be legal, but why not be a bigger person and not argue in favor of giving people ammunition (even if its not justified) when they know its only going to cause problems? The fact that they are essentially going against a hallmark and pillar of Christ's turn the other cheek teaching makes it more laughable.....but whats really disturbing is the results in this thread going great distances to try to explain why this SHOULD happen.

We can get into link wars pointing out crazies from each others "sides" but honestly? Why cant some of you just be above it. Just because somethings within mans law doesnt mean it should be done, I'd hope everyone regardless of religious preference or political party can draw the correlation that doing things out of spite knowing they are meant to incite is just wrong. 

As others have said, if its within the law we only have ethos to argue over. But the chirch and these people get nothing productive out of doing this. It fosters hatred, is an unhealthy way of coping and accomplishes nothing. It really shouldnt even be debatable since there is really no underlying benefit to this as there is with the Mosque at all other than hatred.

Just be nice to people and dont do mean things even if youre allowed. How about that?

And... you totally missed Mafoo's point.  Which was just that.  Everyone has the right to be a jerk but shouldn't.  He was just pointing out another case of it for people who were defending someones right to be a jerk.

I think you missed Mafoo's point. Which was that it was clever to burn the quran because it 'promotes freedom of religion'.

Not that it was "Clever" and promotes freedom of religion. 

Clever because it pisses off the people who were using the same reasoning and rules to piss off other people.

As in... showing them the double edged sword of being insensitive.  Basically turning the issue on it's head and making everyone look like a hypocrit who doesn't take a libretarian view  on both issues.

You almost blew my mind with that post .Almost.



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Kasz216 said:

Not that it was "Clever" and promotes freedom of religion. 

Clever because it pisses off the people who were using the same reasoning and rules to piss off other people.

As in... showing them the double edged sword of being insensitive.  Basically turning the issue on it's head and making everyone look like a hypocrit who doesn't take a libretarian view  on both issues.

I don't think that the point of the mosque is to insult anybody.



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sapphi_snake said:
Kasz216 said:

Not that it was "Clever" and promotes freedom of religion. 

Clever because it pisses off the people who were using the same reasoning and rules to piss off other people.

As in... showing them the double edged sword of being insensitive.  Basically turning the issue on it's head and making everyone look like a hypocrit who doesn't take a libretarian view  on both issues.

I don't think that the point of the mosque is to insult anybody.

A lot of people would disagree... since they've been offered a bunch of free land in areas not that far away that would be less sensitive to people with PTSD and they've turned down all offers.



NKAJ said:
Kasz216 said:
Chrizum said:
Kasz216 said:
steverhcp02 said:

Sounds like these SPECIFIC people are doing something stupid in the name of their religion. Just like those SPECIFIC people on 9/11 did something (obviously more) stupid in the name of their religon.

Bottomline, lots of people are fucking dumb regardless of religion.

The thing that ive taken away from this, people like Mafoo who obviously have an agenda have compromised parts of their logic and humanity for politically watered down reasons which has resulted in an argument youd see on a preschool playground.

As someone else pointed out, is it illegal to be a jerk? No, but why not error on the side of being kind? Is climate change "real" Who the fuck knows, but why not error on the side of safety? Sure it may be legal, but why not be a bigger person and not argue in favor of giving people ammunition (even if its not justified) when they know its only going to cause problems? The fact that they are essentially going against a hallmark and pillar of Christ's turn the other cheek teaching makes it more laughable.....but whats really disturbing is the results in this thread going great distances to try to explain why this SHOULD happen.

We can get into link wars pointing out crazies from each others "sides" but honestly? Why cant some of you just be above it. Just because somethings within mans law doesnt mean it should be done, I'd hope everyone regardless of religious preference or political party can draw the correlation that doing things out of spite knowing they are meant to incite is just wrong. 

As others have said, if its within the law we only have ethos to argue over. But the chirch and these people get nothing productive out of doing this. It fosters hatred, is an unhealthy way of coping and accomplishes nothing. It really shouldnt even be debatable since there is really no underlying benefit to this as there is with the Mosque at all other than hatred.

Just be nice to people and dont do mean things even if youre allowed. How about that?

And... you totally missed Mafoo's point.  Which was just that.  Everyone has the right to be a jerk but shouldn't.  He was just pointing out another case of it for people who were defending someones right to be a jerk.

I think you missed Mafoo's point. Which was that it was clever to burn the quran because it 'promotes freedom of religion'.

Not that it was "Clever" and promotes freedom of religion. 

Clever because it pisses off the people who were using the same reasoning and rules to piss off other people.

As in... showing them the double edged sword of being insensitive.  Basically turning the issue on it's head and making everyone look like a hypocrit who doesn't take a libretarian view  on both issues.

You almost blew my mind with that post .Almost.

It's a popular tactic... espiecally in child raising.

Not one i'm particularly fond of... but it can be effective.

It's like on a TV show when somebody draws a line down the center of a room and forbids the other person to cross it, only to realize that when the same standard is upheld to them, they can't make it to the bathroom.

Or when someone like constantly asks to borrow stuff, then the other person decides to start doing the same and it annoys them etc.

Real big sitcom tactic.



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Kasz216 said:
sapphi_snake said:
Kasz216 said:

Not that it was "Clever" and promotes freedom of religion. 

Clever because it pisses off the people who were using the same reasoning and rules to piss off other people.

As in... showing them the double edged sword of being insensitive.  Basically turning the issue on it's head and making everyone look like a hypocrit who doesn't take a libretarian view  on both issues.

I don't think that the point of the mosque is to insult anybody.

A lot of people would disagree... since they've been offered a bunch of free land in areas not that far away that would be less sensitive to people with PTSD and they've turned down all offers.

It's not Islam's fault that that terrorist attack took place, so if people are offended by the mosque it's their own bigotry that's the problem.



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sapphi_snake said:
Kasz216 said:
sapphi_snake said:
Kasz216 said:

Not that it was "Clever" and promotes freedom of religion. 

Clever because it pisses off the people who were using the same reasoning and rules to piss off other people.

As in... showing them the double edged sword of being insensitive.  Basically turning the issue on it's head and making everyone look like a hypocrit who doesn't take a libretarian view  on both issues.

I don't think that the point of the mosque is to insult anybody.

A lot of people would disagree... since they've been offered a bunch of free land in areas not that far away that would be less sensitive to people with PTSD and they've turned down all offers.

It's not Islam's fault that that terrorist attack took place, so if people are offended by the mosque it's their own bigotry that's the problem.

So... people with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder are bigots.  You're calling people with a mental disorder caused on by stress bigoted... I think you should look in the mirror on this one in who is acting bigoted.

Example, if a Mcdonalds employee went to a small neighberhood and shot up a bunch of people in it wearing his uniform.  Chances are, that if people who lived through that saw a Mcdonalds they would infact be caused lots of stress and other issues.

Does that make those people bigots?  Because they're "Equating all McDonalds employees as murders!"

I'm going to say... no.  Because they aren't equating all Mc Donalds employees as murders, looking at a Mcdonalds triggers such a reaction.

Now, McDonalds wants to build a McDonalds in this neighberhood and the land they could get is withing view of a place where said victims gather... others, who don't want these victims to go through more generously donate land a few blocks away.

Mc Donalds clearly has the right to still build there and in turn lend to agitating those people... but should they?



Disgusting and pathetic...some random church does stupid shit just to get publicity and in retun it creats hatred and trouble for others, just great.

oh and btw to whoever did not see the videos of people from the church talking about it, they spelled the name Quran wrong, how sad is that?



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M.U.G.E.N said:

Disgusting and pathetic...some random church does stupid shit just to get publicity and in retun it creats hatred and trouble for others, just great.

oh and btw to whoever did not see the videos of people from the church talking about it, they spelled the name Quran wrong, how sad is that?


That depends on how they spelled it to be honest.  Multiple spellings of it are considered correct if you went with a sole spelling you would of just mispelled it as well.  "Qur'an" being the most popular. 

Qur'an, Quran, Koran and Coran are all acceptable spellings.  That tends to happen when something is only known in one alphabet and then is transfered to another.

If they spelled different then that... probably a problem though.   I've seen an extra A thrown in there Quaran often.  Pretty sure that one is just poor spelling though.

I wouldn't equate spelling to intellegence though, many many brilliant and great men couldn't spell or conjugate worth anything.  Teddy Roosevelt comes to mind as a horrible speller.

In fact, he was so bad at spelling he tried to pass a law to make everything spelled phoentically.

Which, I kinda wish would of passed.  Would make more sense and make it easier for foreigners to learn english.  Or actually, just kids too. 

That most asians are genetically better at math is a myth... but that they are better at math isn't... and it's all because their number system is simplier and makes a lot of sense.  No Twelves, or Sixteens, or any of that bullshit.