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zuvuyeay on 26 August 2010
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Kasz216 on 26 August 2010
Xbbjf9s said:
Kasz216 said:
Xbbjf9s said:
Kasz216 said:
Xbbjf9s said:
Kasz216 said:
Signalstar said:
Kasz216 said:
famousringo said:

Haters gonna hate.

I hope that community centre goes up. There are few things as satisfying as seeing a campaign of intimidation fail.


Just curious... how would you feel about a giant evangical church being built right next to an abortion clinic that was burned to the ground?

It had nothing to do with an "campaign of intimidiation."   It's a campaign of common sense.

They have the right to build a 15 story community center, but it's a douchebag thing to do.  You literally can't miss the new building where the WTC subway is.   It'd be the equivlent of building a church right next to like, every abortion clinic every bombed, when you consider the size of it... and the fact that people want to pay their respects there.

As for this event... I would be surprised if this didn't happen every week... and also in churches and synagouges.

I mean drunk people acting dumb and urinating on stuff?


You keep using that example and I see nothing wrong with it. I'm atheist so I'm opposed to a church (or mosque/synagogue) being built anywhere. But unless you can prove that the people building the church bombed the abortion clinic you are just punishing a group of people because they have an association to a couple of extreme criminals.

I honestly don't know why the debate continues to rage because there are no plans to stop the community center from being built and it is privately owned.

It comes down to this simple question: Is it okay for a church or other religious temple to be built 2 blocks away from Ground Zero?  If yes, then a mosque is okay too.

OT: Yeah the media is totally blowing things out of proportion and will only cause things to get worse.

And by building it... you are punishing the people who's family died in that clinic because you wanted a church right there.

This has NOTHING to do with legal rights.

It has everythign to do with responsibility.

It's extremely irresponsible and insensitive for them to build the mosque there... and people are upset because of it.  Not a big surprise.

They have just as much legal right as any other religion.  The point is... it's insensitve.

 

That's the problem with this country, people are to damn sensitive. Did you know that some people who had family die on 9/11 are for this mosque?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38845748/ns/us_news-life

 

Ever here of the term "exception to the rule."

You can find women who are against women having equal rights.  Doesn't lend it anymore credence.

Upsetting people needlessly because a couple other people from the same group is ok with it doesn't make it right.

Yeah well these are people who understand the difference between the scum that killed family and friends from the ones the want a mosque. Opinions arelike assholes everyone has one, fact remains that this thing will be built and short of extreme measures it's not gonna be stopped. Life is way to short to be bitching and moaning over something like this, it's being built and people need to deal with it. Some countries don't want out military in their country  (japan) but we aren't leaving are we? 

So... if something you disagree with iis happening you don't agree with... you should shut up.

Really?  That's your opinion.  

So... if someone gets on the radio and says something really racist and insulting... since he legally can say it... and nothing can stop him from saying it.... the response should be... nothing at all.   No sponsor boycotts... no protests.

Or heck... everyone who protested the war in iraq or said a bad thing about it.   They all should of just shut up then, huh?  Afterall it was happening anyway.

Genocides, slavery, bigotry, this is all going to happen, so why talk bad about it?  Why ever have a contrarian opinion.  Whatever is done first must be right.

You can't really mean that.

No one is getting enslaved, the only ones getting the bigotry are the one building the mosque. Rush Limbaugh says some of the most offensive things, he has been protested but he is still here. Most americans were for the war before they were against it but it didn't end when they started complaining (we jsut got another one lol). Everyone has the right to voice their feelings I have no objection to that, it's just that the odds are always stacked against us and sometimes I feel this "freedom of speech" is just something to make us feel that we have power. I see your point and understand that people may be hurt over this but sometimes there is nothing we can do. To stop this would conflict with everything that makes this country great, freedom is a two way street. If I came off as hostile I apologize...there are more pressing things in the world and I just don't understand why so much energy is going into this.

You're making my point for me.

People are free to do things that will knowingly hurt others, but they also have to deal with the consqeunces of doing so.

It's common sense they should build it elsewhere rather then traumitize people... and they have to deal with the public legal reaction of people exercising their own rights speaking against it.  Period.

To do otherwise would simple breed hostility underground and make things worse.

 

I mean, let me ask you something... have you ever been in a serious relationship?   If your partner makes a decision without consulting you and it pisses you off... which is healthier?   Not saying anything and burying it and living with it?  Or bringing it up and getting in a big arguement about it?

It's thte second 100%.   Trying to bottle up the protests is what would cause "anti-islamic hatred."   Now allowing people to express their opinions.

So much energy is going in to it, because it's common sense that the people who started the project should of known better from a human compassion point of view... for an issue that's seen by a lot of people as the biggest moment in the decade.

 

I can see that and I don't even see 9/11 as that big a deal.



Xbbjf9s on 26 August 2010
Kasz216 said:
Xbbjf9s said:
Kasz216 said:
Xbbjf9s said:
Kasz216 said:
Xbbjf9s said:
Kasz216 said:
Signalstar said:
Kasz216 said:
famousringo said:

Haters gonna hate.

I hope that community centre goes up. There are few things as satisfying as seeing a campaign of intimidation fail.


Just curious... how would you feel about a giant evangical church being built right next to an abortion clinic that was burned to the ground?

It had nothing to do with an "campaign of intimidiation."   It's a campaign of common sense.

They have the right to build a 15 story community center, but it's a douchebag thing to do.  You literally can't miss the new building where the WTC subway is.   It'd be the equivlent of building a church right next to like, every abortion clinic every bombed, when you consider the size of it... and the fact that people want to pay their respects there.

As for this event... I would be surprised if this didn't happen every week... and also in churches and synagouges.

I mean drunk people acting dumb and urinating on stuff?


You keep using that example and I see nothing wrong with it. I'm atheist so I'm opposed to a church (or mosque/synagogue) being built anywhere. But unless you can prove that the people building the church bombed the abortion clinic you are just punishing a group of people because they have an association to a couple of extreme criminals.

I honestly don't know why the debate continues to rage because there are no plans to stop the community center from being built and it is privately owned.

It comes down to this simple question: Is it okay for a church or other religious temple to be built 2 blocks away from Ground Zero?  If yes, then a mosque is okay too.

OT: Yeah the media is totally blowing things out of proportion and will only cause things to get worse.

And by building it... you are punishing the people who's family died in that clinic because you wanted a church right there.

This has NOTHING to do with legal rights.

It has everythign to do with responsibility.

It's extremely irresponsible and insensitive for them to build the mosque there... and people are upset because of it.  Not a big surprise.

They have just as much legal right as any other religion.  The point is... it's insensitve.

 

That's the problem with this country, people are to damn sensitive. Did you know that some people who had family die on 9/11 are for this mosque?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38845748/ns/us_news-life

 

Ever here of the term "exception to the rule."

You can find women who are against women having equal rights.  Doesn't lend it anymore credence.

Upsetting people needlessly because a couple other people from the same group is ok with it doesn't make it right.

Yeah well these are people who understand the difference between the scum that killed family and friends from the ones the want a mosque. Opinions arelike assholes everyone has one, fact remains that this thing will be built and short of extreme measures it's not gonna be stopped. Life is way to short to be bitching and moaning over something like this, it's being built and people need to deal with it. Some countries don't want out military in their country  (japan) but we aren't leaving are we? 

So... if something you disagree with iis happening you don't agree with... you should shut up.

Really?  That's your opinion.  

So... if someone gets on the radio and says something really racist and insulting... since he legally can say it... and nothing can stop him from saying it.... the response should be... nothing at all.   No sponsor boycotts... no protests.

Or heck... everyone who protested the war in iraq or said a bad thing about it.   They all should of just shut up then, huh?  Afterall it was happening anyway.

Genocides, slavery, bigotry, this is all going to happen, so why talk bad about it?  Why ever have a contrarian opinion.  Whatever is done first must be right.

You can't really mean that.

No one is getting enslaved, the only ones getting the bigotry are the one building the mosque. Rush Limbaugh says some of the most offensive things, he has been protested but he is still here. Most americans were for the war before they were against it but it didn't end when they started complaining (we jsut got another one lol). Everyone has the right to voice their feelings I have no objection to that, it's just that the odds are always stacked against us and sometimes I feel this "freedom of speech" is just something to make us feel that we have power. I see your point and understand that people may be hurt over this but sometimes there is nothing we can do. To stop this would conflict with everything that makes this country great, freedom is a two way street. If I came off as hostile I apologize...there are more pressing things in the world and I just don't understand why so much energy is going into this.

You're making my point for me.

People are free to do things that will knowingly hurt others, but they also have to deal with the consqeunces of doing so.

It's common sense they should build it elsewhere rather then traumitize people... and they have to deal with the public legal reaction of people exercising their own rights speaking against it.  Period.

To do otherwise would simple breed hostility underground and make things worse.

 

I mean, let me ask you something... have you ever been in a serious relationship?   If your partner makes a decision without consulting you and it pisses you off... which is healthier?   Not saying anything and burying it and living with it?  Or bringing it up and getting in a big arguement about it?

It's thte second 100%.   Trying to bottle up the protests is what would cause "anti-islamic hatred."   Now allowing people to express their opinions.

So much energy is going in to it, because it's common sense that the people who started the project should of known better from a human compassion point of view... for an issue that's seen by a lot of people as the biggest moment in the decade.

 

I can see that and I don't even see 9/11 as that big a deal.

Maybe they thought nine years was enough time to heal? Politicians and the media made this the monster that it is and we all are caught up in it, I honestly think it would be built without incident if they no one said anything. I guess we will see what happens when the building is complete.



ShadowSoldier on 26 August 2010

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famousringo on 26 August 2010
Kasz216 said:
famousringo said:

Haters gonna hate.

I hope that community centre goes up. There are few things as satisfying as seeing a campaign of intimidation fail.


Just curious... how would you feel about a giant evangical church being built right next to an abortion clinic that was burned to the ground?

It had nothing to do with an "campaign of intimidiation."   It's a campaign of common sense.

They have the right to build a 15 story community center, but it's a douchebag thing to do.  You literally can't miss the new building where the WTC subway is.   It'd be the equivlent of building a church right next to like, every abortion clinic every bombed, when you consider the size of it... and the fact that people want to pay their respects there.

As for this event... I would be surprised if this didn't happen every week... and also in churches and synagouges.

I mean drunk people acting dumb and urinating on stuff?

What an odd question. Decided to break from the herd and pass on the Shinto shrine at Pearl Harbour analogy?

Tons of churches all over my town. I'm not sure if I'd notice one that went up next to a vacant lot that used to be a medical facility. I couldn't even tell you where the abortion clinics are in my town. As long as the church didn't put up giant banners asking God to bless His Holy Arsonists, I don't think I'd have a problem with it. I'm not going to hold a few arsonist evangelicals against the whole group.

Common sense is moving on. This is just the usual political exploitation of what should be a non-issue.



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Kasz216 on 27 August 2010
famousringo said:
Kasz216 said:
famousringo said:

Haters gonna hate.

I hope that community centre goes up. There are few things as satisfying as seeing a campaign of intimidation fail.


Just curious... how would you feel about a giant evangical church being built right next to an abortion clinic that was burned to the ground?

It had nothing to do with an "campaign of intimidiation."   It's a campaign of common sense.

They have the right to build a 15 story community center, but it's a douchebag thing to do.  You literally can't miss the new building where the WTC subway is.   It'd be the equivlent of building a church right next to like, every abortion clinic every bombed, when you consider the size of it... and the fact that people want to pay their respects there.

As for this event... I would be surprised if this didn't happen every week... and also in churches and synagouges.

I mean drunk people acting dumb and urinating on stuff?

What an odd question. Decided to break from the herd and pass on the Shinto shrine at Pearl Harbour analogy?

Tons of churches all over my town. I'm not sure if I'd notice one that went up next to a vacant lot that used to be a medical facility. I couldn't even tell you where the abortion clinics are in my town. As long as the church didn't put up giant banners asking God to bless His Holy Arsonists, I don't think I'd have a problem with it. I'm not going to hold a few arsonist evangelicals against the whole group.

Common sense is moving on. This is just the usual political exploitation of what should be a non-issue.

A vacant lot isn't the same thing a clinic that was blown up with a bomb and killed people.

Also you failed to note that both of those shrines were built like 20 years BEFORE Pearl Harbour.

I really thought better of you then that. 

 

Also you know... nobody is saying "You can't build a mosque in NY city."

Just "how about not building a 15 foot mosque within view of the WTC and the WTC subway.

 

Another big difference?  The Japanese were defeated.  The group that supported the bombing of Pearl Harbour is gone.  There isn't any risks of Japanese bombers bombing Pearl Harbour or any other place in the US.

I'd guess though, you can't see the shinto shrines from pearl harbour... and that most people effected by pearl harbour are actually dead at this point... to calously say 9 years is enough for the loss of friends family and loved ones is really quite bad if you ask me.



famousringo on 27 August 2010
Kasz216 said:
famousringo said:
Kasz216 said:
famousringo said:

Haters gonna hate.

I hope that community centre goes up. There are few things as satisfying as seeing a campaign of intimidation fail.


Just curious... how would you feel about a giant evangical church being built right next to an abortion clinic that was burned to the ground?

It had nothing to do with an "campaign of intimidiation."   It's a campaign of common sense.

They have the right to build a 15 story community center, but it's a douchebag thing to do.  You literally can't miss the new building where the WTC subway is.   It'd be the equivlent of building a church right next to like, every abortion clinic every bombed, when you consider the size of it... and the fact that people want to pay their respects there.

As for this event... I would be surprised if this didn't happen every week... and also in churches and synagouges.

I mean drunk people acting dumb and urinating on stuff?

What an odd question. Decided to break from the herd and pass on the Shinto shrine at Pearl Harbour analogy?

Tons of churches all over my town. I'm not sure if I'd notice one that went up next to a vacant lot that used to be a medical facility. I couldn't even tell you where the abortion clinics are in my town. As long as the church didn't put up giant banners asking God to bless His Holy Arsonists, I don't think I'd have a problem with it. I'm not going to hold a few arsonist evangelicals against the whole group.

Common sense is moving on. This is just the usual political exploitation of what should be a non-issue.

A vacant lot isn't the same thing a clinic that was blown up with a bomb and killed people.

Also you failed to note that both of those shrines were built like 20 years BEFORE Pearl Harbour.

I really thought better of you then that. 

 

Also you know... nobody is saying "You can't build a mosque in NY city."

Just "how about not building a 15 foot mosque within view of the WTC and the WTC subway.

 

Another big difference?  The Japanese were defeated.  The group that supported the bombing of Pearl Harbour is gone.  There isn't any risks of Japanese bombers bombing Pearl Harbour or any other place in the US.

 

I'd guess though, you can't see the shinto shrines from pearl harbour... and that most people effected by pearl harbour are actually dead at this point.

Yeesh, pretend I never mentioned Pearl Harbour. I just thought it was funny that you had to construct another awkwardly contrived analogy.

You asked me a question, and I answered it. Wherever this hypothetical bombed clinic is in my town, there's a 50% chance it's within sight of a christian church, and a good chance that church is evangelical. I sincerely doubt that many people would care if another one went up, because they wouldn't think of that bomber as a christian terrorist, they'd just think of him as that crazy asshole who blew up a clinic.

And I'm seriously okay with that. I don't think evangelicals should have to second guess their actions because one crazy jerk took things too far. Nor do I think that muslims in New York should have to relocate a major project (I'm guessing land is hard to come by in that area) because a group of crazy assholes did something stupid ten years ago in the name of Allah.

You asked, I answered. If my answer isn't good enough for you, do try to keep in mind that I think this is a stupid non-issue.



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mhsillen on 27 August 2010
superchunk said:

Regardless of what others say, this is directly related to the idiotic right-wing initiated Mosque in NYC conflict. This raises tensions of people who inevitiable beleive the bullshit spouted about that Mosque and then do actions that range from mild (this) to major (cabbie attack) or even worse. How soon until there is a Mosque burned or bombed during Friday prayers?


The Kid who stabbed the cabby worked for a Liberal religious group

This right wing media shit, can't you come up with an original thought

Me Chunk, right wing bad, left wing good

rinse repeat



Kasz216 on 27 August 2010
famousringo said:
Kasz216 said:
famousringo said:
Kasz216 said:
famousringo said:

Haters gonna hate.

I hope that community centre goes up. There are few things as satisfying as seeing a campaign of intimidation fail.


Just curious... how would you feel about a giant evangical church being built right next to an abortion clinic that was burned to the ground?

It had nothing to do with an "campaign of intimidiation."   It's a campaign of common sense.

They have the right to build a 15 story community center, but it's a douchebag thing to do.  You literally can't miss the new building where the WTC subway is.   It'd be the equivlent of building a church right next to like, every abortion clinic every bombed, when you consider the size of it... and the fact that people want to pay their respects there.

As for this event... I would be surprised if this didn't happen every week... and also in churches and synagouges.

I mean drunk people acting dumb and urinating on stuff?

What an odd question. Decided to break from the herd and pass on the Shinto shrine at Pearl Harbour analogy?

Tons of churches all over my town. I'm not sure if I'd notice one that went up next to a vacant lot that used to be a medical facility. I couldn't even tell you where the abortion clinics are in my town. As long as the church didn't put up giant banners asking God to bless His Holy Arsonists, I don't think I'd have a problem with it. I'm not going to hold a few arsonist evangelicals against the whole group.

Common sense is moving on. This is just the usual political exploitation of what should be a non-issue.

A vacant lot isn't the same thing a clinic that was blown up with a bomb and killed people.

Also you failed to note that both of those shrines were built like 20 years BEFORE Pearl Harbour.

I really thought better of you then that. 

 

Also you know... nobody is saying "You can't build a mosque in NY city."

Just "how about not building a 15 foot mosque within view of the WTC and the WTC subway.

 

Another big difference?  The Japanese were defeated.  The group that supported the bombing of Pearl Harbour is gone.  There isn't any risks of Japanese bombers bombing Pearl Harbour or any other place in the US.

 

I'd guess though, you can't see the shinto shrines from pearl harbour... and that most people effected by pearl harbour are actually dead at this point.

Yeesh, pretend I never mentioned Pearl Harbour. I just thought it was funny that you had to construct another awkwardly contrived analogy.

You asked me a question, and I answered it. Wherever this hypothetical bombed clinic is in my town, there's a 50% chance it's within sight of a christian church, and a good chance that church is evangelical. I sincerely doubt that many people would care if another one went up, because they wouldn't think of that bomber as a christian terrorist, they'd just think of him as that crazy asshole who blew up a clinic.

And I'm seriously okay with that. I don't think evangelicals should have to second guess their actions because one crazy jerk took things too far. Nor do I think that muslims in New York should have to relocate a major project (I'm guessing land is hard to come by in that area) because a group of crazy assholes did something stupid ten years ago in the name of Allah.

You asked, I answered. If my answer isn't good enough for you, do try to keep in mind that I think this is a stupid non-issue.

You did by posting the link.

Which i'd never heard of because there isn't a "herd" I followed.  Which is just an insulting comment.


I at first thought it was a non issue until I thought for a couple minues and realized just how insensitive it was.  If it was me I'd of never built something there.

All I had to do was imagine it from a different perspective.   IE come up with the same situation but where the Republicans would be for the building, and the Democrats against... and the Church was the first that came to mind.

Better one group have to merely second think something and move, then cause another group harm.

I gurantee if somone were two want to build a shinto temple 2 blocks away from Pearl Harbour... 9 years after it... people would of been pissed about it... and have good reason.  It's just insesnitive unneeded and causes people unneeded stress.



superchunk on 27 August 2010
mhsillen said:
superchunk said:

Regardless of what others say, this is directly related to the idiotic right-wing initiated Mosque in NYC conflict. This raises tensions of people who inevitiable beleive the bullshit spouted about that Mosque and then do actions that range from mild (this) to major (cabbie attack) or even worse. How soon until there is a Mosque burned or bombed during Friday prayers?


The Kid who stabbed the cabby worked for a Liberal religious group

This right wing media shit, can't you come up with an original thought

Me Chunk, right wing bad, left wing good

rinse repeat

You really want to argue that Fox news and other right-wing tv shows and radio shows don't routinely incite anti-Muslim propoganda with cherry-picked quranic verses and repeatidly called this mosque a place for terrorist, a shrine to the terrorists on 9/11 etc?

Do I need to find the youtube videos of Fox news anchors and others from when this controversy started, seriously?

Sorry, but its not bs, its simply fact that this controversy became major news initially on right-wing outlets.

The guy in the cab as well as this far lesser incident are all results of higher tensions related to this wider controversy. I think his job exemplafies this far more than anything, but this is being continously described as an Islam vs America issue so he acted out on probably pent up anger and hatred he already had for Muslims.

This guy in the OP just needs a night to cool off and some education on Islamic beliefs as most of America does so we don't keep moving further into a larger internal conflict where a Muslim is akin to a witch of the dark ages.