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Kasz216 said:

Eating healthy costing more is a myth.

It's not because of money that people don't eat healthy.  It's time.

Well and lifestyle.

When you spend 40 hours a week working a shitty job, the last thing you wanna do is spend another 5-10 hours cooking on top of your other chores.

As for doing something about it... the simple answer is.  We shouldn't. 

People should have the right to get as fat as they want too... it's their lives they're screwing with.  The government shouldn't try and coax them into being healthy, outside of informing them of the problems with their bad lifestyles and possibly removing laws that restrict what someone can do with weight based issues.

Afterall if you can't charge someone based on weight on a plane, or for healthcare, or even pay the same to people who live unhealthy (vs it being genetic) in welfare plans... then it's costing everybody instead of just the person who is that weight like it should.

Of course it's easy for me to say, considering i don't live as healthy as i should, but still stay thin.

Either way... nobody should be stopped from making any bad health or life choices they want to make, but at the same time, said effects should lay mostly if not completely on them.

http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/12/05/a-high-price-for-healthy-food/ ------It's not a myth.



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The Ghost of RubangB said:
skip said:
The Ghost of RubangB said:

3) Bovine Growth Hormone.  Monsanto and other companies put this shit into cows to make them bigger and fatter so they can produce more milk.  Then they make more milk faster, so they can make more money, which is the American way.  However, then the milk has a fucking GROWTH HORMONE in it.  So when kids drink it they grow fatter and faster.  That's why we have girls getting huge and fat, having giant tits by the age of 10, and some menstruating at the age of 7 or 8.  They're not mature enough to understand any of this, but their PARENTS DON'T GIVE A FUCK.  People just go "that's weird, I didn't get my first period until I was 12 or 13, but all my kids get their first period at 8 or 9, and I have no idea why.  Huh, whatever, what's on TV?"


 

While I don't agree with its use I disagree with your stated effect. Bovine growth hormone is banned in my country and the people are almost as fat. The early puberty issue exists also despite a ban.  The ban was instituted not because of human health affects but because of concerns over the welfare of cows.

http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/dhp-mps/vet/issues-enjeux/rbst-stbr/rep_rcpsc-rap_crmcc-eng.php

Side note: most of the studies I have read suggest obesity and chemicals with estrogenic effects as the cause of early puberty. (the chemicals with estrogenic effects can turn male fish into sterile hermaphrodites  :(

Whoa.  Interesting.  Well then I take back my Bovine Growth Hormone point from my list.  It's basically all HFCS and GMOs and people not caring about what they eat because they don't have to see it, know what it is, or even cook it half the time.  All farmers, who actually work with their food and see it and know what it is, whether they're independent or corporate, say they will NEVER eat high fructose corn syrup.  Or hot dogs, for that matter.

 

Side note: Bovine Growth Hormone is still absolutely disgusting though, for another reason.  The cows that are injected with it get HUUUGE fat udders.  They get so big and fat and infected and diseased, that pus comes out.  While they're getting milked.  And the pus gets in the milk.  So any time you drink milk from cows injected with Bovine Growth Hormone, you're not only drinking disgusting genetically modified poison, you're drinking diseased cow pus.

When WTO fined EU for refusing US hormone-ridden meat, they rejected EU objections for two reasons, the main one was that filthy fat disgusting bad faith fellow countryman of mine Prodi, back then EU Council President, not appealing to a WTO rule that would have allowed us to refuse it without retaliation, the other was that WTO commissioned a research that acquitted hormones. But half of the experts that made that research were tied to hormone producers. Previous and successive researches on hormone-ridden meat showed that little kids consuming it could even grow tits and have underdevelopment of male sexual characteristics and little girls reach precocious puberty. And I trust those independent researches a lot more, one of them was done by my town's children hospital that back then was one of the best in the world and many others were done again in many different places after more kids had sexual development disorders.



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oldschoolfool said:
Kasz216 said:

Eating healthy costing more is a myth.

It's not because of money that people don't eat healthy.  It's time.

Well and lifestyle.

When you spend 40 hours a week working a shitty job, the last thing you wanna do is spend another 5-10 hours cooking on top of your other chores.

As for doing something about it... the simple answer is.  We shouldn't. 

People should have the right to get as fat as they want too... it's their lives they're screwing with.  The government shouldn't try and coax them into being healthy, outside of informing them of the problems with their bad lifestyles and possibly removing laws that restrict what someone can do with weight based issues.

Afterall if you can't charge someone based on weight on a plane, or for healthcare, or even pay the same to people who live unhealthy (vs it being genetic) in welfare plans... then it's costing everybody instead of just the person who is that weight like it should.

Of course it's easy for me to say, considering i don't live as healthy as i should, but still stay thin.

Either way... nobody should be stopped from making any bad health or life choices they want to make, but at the same time, said effects should lay mostly if not completely on them.

http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/12/05/a-high-price-for-healthy-food/ ------It's not a myth.

The most appropriate way to describe the claim that eating healthy is expensive is that it is a half-truth. In absolute terms, it is difficult to create a healthy meal for a similar cost to the unhealthy low cost high calorie foods; but what people assume this to mean is not true at all.

For less than the cost of feeding myself with a convenient take out or frozen meal I can feed a family of four a healthy meal; and I can guarantee that I can give people a healthy nutritionally balanced diet on (practically) any budget in western developed nations.

Basically, just because a daily intake of calories in raw sugar or butter costs $0.50 doesn't mean that eating a healthy balanced diet is expensive



I can make a meal for four with less than £10 (example: stir fry mix veg pack, noodles or rice, sauce and tofu). Mc Donalds costs more than that (about £4.50 per person).

People can't be bothered to cook, have huge portions, they don't move enough (I'm guilty of this though, I admit) and they are stubborn about food. "It doesn't taste as good... whine whine whine" It makes me think of children that only want candy! The reason junk food are so "tasty" is because it's highly processed, filled with empty calories, fat, sugar and salt. It's a recepie for not only weight gain but addiction.

Well after eating healthy for a while, you realise how much better real food is and how disgusting the junk is.

But one note, I personally would never insult or look down on someone who's fat. I won't lie, I don't find it attractive and I wouldn't ever want to be like that but it's not a reason to be mean. All you can do is encourage them to adopt a healthier lifestyle and support them. It is not insulting to do so. I share my cooking tips with people and tell them to eat small amounts of food throughout the day instead of huge meals. Show them you care about them and that's why they should lose weight, to be around the people they love for longer.

I think the reason why people are so angry about it is that it's not a hard issue to solve. The solutions are normal sized healthy food and a 30 min - 1 hour walk everyday.



Kasz216 said:
haxxiy said:

I blame the prices for America's obesity.

You go to a McDonald's and the salad is like five bucks. For much less you can get a cheeseburger with fries. Not only that, Coca Cola is cheaper than bottled water!

Couple it with genetics favoring stocky people and you see most things are definitely not helping it.

In MCDONALDS.

In a regular Supermarkets hamburgers are WAY more expensive then salads... and Soda is 2-3 times as expensive as Water.


Most people, specially the young ones already working, don't have enough time for supermarkets.

It's all about McDonald's or BK for lunch and a Pizza or Cup Noodles for dinner. At least in the southern states like Florida or Lousiana which I know the best. 



 

 

 

 

 

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oldschoolfool said:
Kasz216 said:

Eating healthy costing more is a myth.

It's not because of money that people don't eat healthy.  It's time.

Well and lifestyle.

When you spend 40 hours a week working a shitty job, the last thing you wanna do is spend another 5-10 hours cooking on top of your other chores.

As for doing something about it... the simple answer is.  We shouldn't. 

People should have the right to get as fat as they want too... it's their lives they're screwing with.  The government shouldn't try and coax them into being healthy, outside of informing them of the problems with their bad lifestyles and possibly removing laws that restrict what someone can do with weight based issues.

Afterall if you can't charge someone based on weight on a plane, or for healthcare, or even pay the same to people who live unhealthy (vs it being genetic) in welfare plans... then it's costing everybody instead of just the person who is that weight like it should.

Of course it's easy for me to say, considering i don't live as healthy as i should, but still stay thin.

Either way... nobody should be stopped from making any bad health or life choices they want to make, but at the same time, said effects should lay mostly if not completely on them.

http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/12/05/a-high-price-for-healthy-food/ ------It's not a myth.

...Did you read the article? It was a horribly-written article. They analyzed cost per calorie of junk food vs. healthy food. Which one do you think would come out as being cheaper per calorie?

The real discussion on cost of healthy vs. junk food would be to make about 2-3 dozen meals using healthy means, and unhealthy means. I think you'd find that the cost is very similar. Of course, the healthy meals would have less calories - that the point of a healthy meal...To fill you up using low-caloric foods.



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highwaystar101 said:
oldschoolfool said:

Do they have buffets in the U.K. I'm just wondering,that's all. lol


Yes, sadly. The food quality is usually dire and you eat far too much. I went to one for my friends birthday the other week, you could physically taste the salt and everything was strategically done to try and hinder you (the height of the chairs, the size of the plates, the cost of the drinks, etc). I spent most of the night trying to keep it down. That said, I do support the Pizza Hut all you can eat buffet.

To hinder you from doing what? From eating?



I have a BMI of 33. 30 is obese. I weight 230 pounds and I used to weight 140, but I got started on psychiatric medication that makes you gain weight and also makes you sluggish. So I stopped working out, and I gained 10 pounds a month for 9 months, and here we are, 230 lbs. But the thing is before I started working out and was skinny at 140, I was 160, and I didn't have to work out to stay at 160. Pills slowed down my metabolism.



Thanks for sharing your input everybody. Watching super-size me and food inc. got me interested in this topic. lol



Slimebeast said:
highwaystar101 said:
oldschoolfool said:

Do they have buffets in the U.K. I'm just wondering,that's all. lol


Yes, sadly. The food quality is usually dire and you eat far too much. I went to one for my friends birthday the other week, you could physically taste the salt and everything was strategically done to try and hinder you (the height of the chairs, the size of the plates, the cost of the drinks, etc). I spent most of the night trying to keep it down. That said, I do support the Pizza Hut all you can eat buffet.

To hinder you from doing what? From eating?

Well, yes.

But to be honest, people still tried to eat too much food anyway. I could see some people physically forcing themselves to eat more when they obviously had enough already.