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Mr Khan on 21 August 2010
thx1139 said:
Metallicube said:
thx1139 said:
Metallicube said:
thx1139 said:

Sorry Metallicube when you have 70M consoles already sold a title isnt going to cause everyone to run out and purchase a Wii.  It is the library and what the console offers. Pre 2010 holiday Wii was your only choice for a motion controll system.  That is now gone.  A couple of long time Nintendo faithful titles arent going to cause a bunch of people that dont have a Wii to go all nostalgic and pickup a Wii for them.  The people that would go nostalgic have already purchased a Wii.

Tell that to the PS2. The console has sold a good 140 million units. There's absolutely no reason Wii couldn't sell those kinds of numbers too. Keep in mind the Wii is still outpacing the PS2, despite having zero hardware movers in 2010. Though I think somewhere in the ballpark of 100 - 110 million is more realistic, since it does not have near the 3rd party support PS2 had, plus the added sales of people rebuying for the slim and the issue of consoles breaking down. So it will probably not outsell PS2, but will certainly outsell PS1.

Whatever, I'm done arguing that Donkey Kong Country is going to move consoles, because the sales will speak for themselves when they come in November (although I'm sure some people will still use the excuse that it's just the holiday boost rather than the game). But I will say one more thing, it's not about nostalgia, it's about making a great game that appeals to a wide audience. Donkey Kong Country is a game that seems to accomplish this, as NSMB Wii did. Side scrolling platformers are games that are widely loved by many, but rarely made these days, creating pent up demand, which is why I think this game can be huge.

And the people that wanted the side scolling platformer picked up a Wii for NSMB. They arent going to pickup another Wii for DKCR.  What does this have to do with the PS2 anyway.  The PS2, GCN and Xbox were similiar in capabilities.  The Wii had one capability the PS3 and the 360 did not have that people want and that is motion control.  That advantage is now gone.  They all have good libraries (I would say the PS3 and 360 libraries are superior) and now all have motion control.  The Wii also was the fitnes console and that is gone as well.  You want to sweat get Kinect and a 360 and that word will get out.

How are you so sure that everybody who likes side scrollers picked up a Wii for NSMB? That's like saying that everybody who likes FPS already got a 360 for Halo 3. Yet I think we both know that Halo Reach and Gears 3 will push some consoles.

Maybe some people simply love Donkey Kong Country and aren't as into Mario. Maybe some people were on the borderline with NSMB and are now swayed with DKC. Maybe some people sold their console and are now thinking of rebuying with Donkey Kong. Maybe some little kids are getting their first console this holiday and are interested in Donkey Kong. I know people that love the Donkey Kong Country series more than Mario games. You even have it as your sig; software is what sells hardware, and DKC will only strengthen Wii's library.

As for the motion control, it's only a piece of the puzzle to the console's success. The root of Wii's success isn't necessarilly motion control, but rather embracing the roots of arcade-style gaming, similar to the Atari 2600 and the NES. That is, pick up and play action games with little focus on cinematics and complex controls and more focued on raw gameplay that appeals to a wide audience. Motion control is just a means to an end.

No it is motion control gaming.  You know it is motion control gaming otherwise the N64 and the GCN would have done just as well.  Do I think Reach will push some consoles? Do I think Gears 3 will push some consoles? Sure, but not to the extend that many here claim that DKCR believe will push Wiis.   I for one also dont believe NSMBWii was the reason the Wii sold well last holiday.  It was the holiday, the price cut and the continued interest in both Motion Control gaming and fitness (After all for every 2 Wiis that are sold a copy of WiiFit is sold).  No game this deep into a generation has a huge impact on console sales unless it is a total game changer.    Something like WiiFit was a game changer, something like Kinect is a potential game changer.  A new platformer side or third person for a console known for platformer titles isnt.  Software may sell fabulously well, but as my signature says.  Now it is about the library.  Wii has a strong enough library already.  Problem is the public is starting to see that thier is something else out there that offers the differentiator that the Wii used to have a monopoly on.

You're a non-believer in the power of the killer app, so there's little that can be said in this case, but that's the long and short of it. NSMBWii single-handedly revived the Wii, with only minor help from the price cut and a bit more help from Wii Sports Resort. Even if the other consoles are more library-based, Wii is clearly killer-app driven, given that its success handily reflects a small core of titles that have borne the weight of the system on their backs.



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*Sound Of Rain on 21 August 2010

No, Wii is going to smash both P.S.3 and 360 sales in the 10 weeks leading up to the Holiday 2010.

People never learn...

The Wii has had nothing this year besides for S.M.G.2 and that won't last 4ever when games come out for the console it will be ahead again...like always.



Moren on 21 August 2010

Another of this threads? really?

I'm bookmarking this and all other threads for the future



Arius Dion on 21 August 2010

LoL. I'm having a feelig of deja vu.



Bet between Slimbeast and Arius Dion about Wii sales 2009:


If the Wii sells less than 20 million in 2009 (as defined by VGC sales between week ending 3d Jan 2009 to week ending 4th Jan 2010) Slimebeast wins and get to control Arius Dion's sig for 1 month.

If the Wii sells more than 20 million in 2009 (as defined above) Arius Dion wins and gets to control Slimebeast's sig for 1 month.

thx1139 on 21 August 2010
Mr Khan said:
thx1139 said:
Metallicube said:

How are you so sure that everybody who likes side scrollers picked up a Wii for NSMB? That's like saying that everybody who likes FPS already got a 360 for Halo 3. Yet I think we both know that Halo Reach and Gears 3 will push some consoles.

Maybe some people simply love Donkey Kong Country and aren't as into Mario. Maybe some people were on the borderline with NSMB and are now swayed with DKC. Maybe some people sold their console and are now thinking of rebuying with Donkey Kong. Maybe some little kids are getting their first console this holiday and are interested in Donkey Kong. I know people that love the Donkey Kong Country series more than Mario games. You even have it as your sig; software is what sells hardware, and DKC will only strengthen Wii's library.

As for the motion control, it's only a piece of the puzzle to the console's success. The root of Wii's success isn't necessarilly motion control, but rather embracing the roots of arcade-style gaming, similar to the Atari 2600 and the NES. That is, pick up and play action games with little focus on cinematics and complex controls and more focued on raw gameplay that appeals to a wide audience. Motion control is just a means to an end.

No it is motion control gaming.  You know it is motion control gaming otherwise the N64 and the GCN would have done just as well.  Do I think Reach will push some consoles? Do I think Gears 3 will push some consoles? Sure, but not to the extend that many here claim that DKCR believe will push Wiis.   I for one also dont believe NSMBWii was the reason the Wii sold well last holiday.  It was the holiday, the price cut and the continued interest in both Motion Control gaming and fitness (After all for every 2 Wiis that are sold a copy of WiiFit is sold).  No game this deep into a generation has a huge impact on console sales unless it is a total game changer.    Something like WiiFit was a game changer, something like Kinect is a potential game changer.  A new platformer side or third person for a console known for platformer titles isnt.  Software may sell fabulously well, but as my signature says.  Now it is about the library.  Wii has a strong enough library already.  Problem is the public is starting to see that thier is something else out there that offers the differentiator that the Wii used to have a monopoly on.

You're a non-believer in the power of the killer app, so there's little that can be said in this case, but that's the long and short of it. NSMBWii single-handedly revived the Wii, with only minor help from the price cut and a bit more help from Wii Sports Resort. Even if the other consoles are more library-based, Wii is clearly killer-app driven, given that its success handily reflects a small core of titles that have borne the weight of the system on their backs.

I am just looking at the reality of the situation.  Last year the Wii was selling right about 190K per week (according to VGC) until Wii Sports Resort launched and over about 3 weeks it sold about an additional 200K above the 190K per week average. So about 200K can be credited to WiiSports Resort as an immediate boost.  By the mddle of August the Wii was back down to 190K or even less with a low point of about 150K the week before the price cut.  The price cut immediatly boosted the Wii to 330K the 1st week of October and continued to grow.  The week of NSMBWii launched in late November the Wii jumped 36% and the 360 jumped 18%.  This is right at the start of the huge holiday sales boost that happen in the US.  Did NSMBwii help? Sure.  Was it responsible for the majority of the boost? Nope, sales had already climbed signifigantly with the price cut and continued as we headed into the holidays. The second week of NSMBWii sales of the Wii jumped 54% and the 360 jumped 51%. 

The influence of NSMBWii and Wii Sports Resort are greatly exagerated.



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Viper1 on 21 August 2010

It's 2009 all over again.

Same argument, new year.  I'd bring in my own debate points but why bother when al the facts, logic, common sense, reason, data and reality have already been hammerd down countless times and the same few guys repeatedly ignore it, spin it or fail to grasp just how wrong they are.

This is like the losing team still on the field after the game is over trying desperately to score a point.  Good game and all but now you're just humiliating yourself.



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BoneArk on 21 August 2010

Everything is losing their thunder imo.



                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   

MANUELF on 21 August 2010
Zkuq said:

Wii's not dead or dying, it just happens to have a weak moment. That said, I don't see that weak moment ending any time soon unless Nintendo decides to cut price. 360S, Move, and Kinect will take care of that, as well as numerous high-profile games that are released exclusively on HD systems, or simply sell much better on HD systems despite having a Wii version.

MANUELF said:

Think about your words, the Wii while losing its "thunder" is still outselling the PS2 handily

Because outselling a ten-year-old console is a great feat. PS3 would be a much better comparison. Oh right, they're almost even so it would look bad for Wii.

Sorry my bad for not explaining myself, I was talking about the same point in time, 4 years after the release of both Wii is still outselling the PS2



Antabus on 21 August 2010
Viper1 said:

It's 2009 all over again.

Same argument, new year.  I'd bring in my own debate points but why bother when al the facts, logic, common sense, reason, data and reality have already been hammerd down countless times and the same few guys repeatedly ignore it, spin it or fail to grasp just how wrong they are.

This is like the losing team still on the field after the game is over trying desperately to score a point.  Good game and all but now you're just humiliating yourself.


Except there is no pricecut this year and wii has been doing worse than 2009 despite the pricecut. Guess what kind of YOY numbers you will see after the pricecut week?

 

Oh.. better than 2009! Of course! Because a DK-game will boost the hardware! Just like NSMB! It had nothing to do with the pricecut or the holiday-season.

 

 

....

And to be clear, I know that wii will sell a lot around christmas.



postofficebuddy on 21 August 2010
Antabus said:
Viper1 said:

It's 2009 all over again.

Same argument, new year.  I'd bring in my own debate points but why bother when al the facts, logic, common sense, reason, data and reality have already been hammerd down countless times and the same few guys repeatedly ignore it, spin it or fail to grasp just how wrong they are.

This is like the losing team still on the field after the game is over trying desperately to score a point.  Good game and all but now you're just humiliating yourself.


Except there is no pricecut this year and wii has been doing worse than 2009 despite the pricecut. Guess what kind of YOY numbers you will see after the pricecut week?

 

Oh.. better than 2009! Of course! Because a DK-game will boost the hardware! Just like NSMB! It had nothing to do with the pricecut or the holiday-season.

 

 

....

And to be clear, I know that wii will sell a lot around christmas.


100% agree with you there. I'm not saying that Wii won't be the #1 selling console during the holidays, it probably will be and likely by a fair margin at that. But I don't know where people get the notion that the Wii will suddenly start selling 300k-400k per week come October purely on the back of SW releases.



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