It is. It is indeed. But SMB can still be played the way it's supposed to be played USING the keyboard without any major drawbacks. Wii Sports is built around the Motion control. It could still be played using a CCP for example... But it would be a far, far, far inferior product because of it. Whereas with SMB, it isn't as good playing with a keyboard, but you still get pretty much the same experience out of the game.

And i think Mario Kart Wii is split between the Motion and the Multiplayer aspects. People love to race against eachother using the wheel.

So, from that I can take it that you're saying that no other control method other than motion control would work with a game like Wii Sports? Seems strange...

Wii Sports without motion controls would be like playing every tennis, golf, bowling, boxing and baseball game ever created before November 2006 and several since. You'd just use a dual analog approach, which has been used successfully in multi-million selling games in those genres.

So, you clearly wouldn't need motion controls to form a game like Wii Sports that works. Would it have been as successful? Nope (like I said, take any one factor away, watch the cards fall). But you're trying to say it would never work without motion controls and you'd need them to play it, which is blatantly false...

Oh, and it does matter that Mario would be shoddy and imprecise with the keyboard. It's a game built around precise platforming, so you kind of need those precise controls in this instance. With the D-pad I can go numerous levels without losing a life, but whenever I've tried to play with a keyboard I struggle to get by the first goomba or the first hole in the floor... and then I just go back to the original version and wonder why people are stupid enough to play it like that.

I will concede that you could get away with a keyboard with platformers that require less precision though, you just chose a poor example.

Okay. We're at a stalemate here and we're moving away from the original point ¬_¬

My point is. The Motion Controls of the Wii are no way a secondary reason for Wii's success.

Not a chance.

No way.

No.

Wii Sports would not have been the same game without Motion Controls. It would not have gone on to be the most important game this generation without the Motion.

Wii Sports needed the Motion just as much as the Motion needed Wii Sports.

Price - That's a whole different point that I'm not going into.

I can use this kind of argument as well and claim that Mass Effect or Killzone 2 (or any other game that has ever been considered graphicaly stunning experience) would have been far, far, far inferior product if they were made with PS1-level of 3D graphics. I'm pretty sure it would have impacted sales of these games more severely than Wii Sports if it would have been released without motion controls support. But does it make these games any different? I may argue that less horsepower will lead to less enemies on the screen and lower resolution will make aiming a bit harder, but these are far-fetched arguments. The core gameplay is here, it's practically the same experience. If you claim it's not, then you as well claim that graphics is main selling point of these games, the same could be said about dozends and dozens of other modern games with little exception.

PS1-level of 3D graphics is clearly outdated by modern standards, the same way standard PS1-level of controls are seen as outdated for such sports games as golf, tennis, baseball etc. after Wii Sports came out, which is more fun to play because of motion controls compared to other sports games if other things being equal. Controls, or rather interface, is essential part of any game as well as graphics. It just happens that Wii Sports is able to differ itself from other similar games with superior interface rather than superior graphics. So you can't claim that superior motion controls is Wii Sport's main selling point and not admitting at the same time that Mass Effect and Killzone 2 were sold mainly on graphics.

Super Mario had 4 things to control

Move Left - Joystick does this just as well as DPad
Move Right - Joystick does this just as well as Dpad
Crouch- Joystick does this just as well as DPad
Jump - Button
Run fast/attack - Button

So why wouldnt Atari 5200 controller work with this for instance?  Remember it was analog controller as well.

This holiday will do fine, it has a lot of interesting games and, most important it has wii party, They could also make a new bundle with it.

Again, one could make quite a compelling argument that the Wii has the worst library of the three companies.  How then to this person do you explain that it was 'TEH GAMEZ!!' that contributed to success. 

You are being very, very narrow-minded and taking a very simplistic mindset for something that has a myriad of factors. 

Price/Motion firmly entrenched the Wii where it is sitting right now,  games just continued the rush.

With the list of first party games Nintendo has lined up between now and new years, I wouldn't be too worried about Wii's sales. Wii will continue to sell until Nintendo discontinues it. Even if it did suddenly slow down drasticly in sales, I think Nintendo's proved their point. They still have the influence to make epic changes to the gaming industry.

One could also make quite a compelling argument that the Wii has the best library of the three companies. Arguing in these terms is absolutely fruitless.

Wow, the chat is still rolling on. While people keep talking restless about meaningless things, I eat cookies, play Warcraft 3 and Iwata laughs.