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Aielyn said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:

good analysis

I just thought I'd point out that there's no analysis in that post. He hasn't analysed the numbers, he has found and presented the numbers.

This isn't to in any way take away from the good job he did, of course.


yes but numbers help in understanding alot of thing



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leo-j said:
famousringo said:

So last gen, all 1st party software was only about 10% of the market.

This gen, Nintendo alone accounts for 20% of the console software market?!

Small wonder that the publishers want anybody but Nintendo to make the gaming hardware. They'd like their lunch back.

Iwata: (laughs)


remember nearly 70 MILLION of that software is wii sports though

I don't see the relevance.

Wiis bundled with Wii Sports have had a higher MSRP than those which do not. In other words, Nintendo got paid for Wii Sports whether it was a Japanese customer buying it seperately or an American customer buying it bundled.

The customer is still getting a game, and Nintendo is still getting money for it. 3rd party games bundled with the HD systems are treated the same and counted in that huge software total.



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Well this is certainly more than just a teaser for a full-fledged article...I'm curious to see what else you dig up...really interesting stuff here.



Bah!

famousringo said:
leo-j said:
famousringo said:

So last gen, all 1st party software was only about 10% of the market.

This gen, Nintendo alone accounts for 20% of the console software market?!

Small wonder that the publishers want anybody but Nintendo to make the gaming hardware. They'd like their lunch back.

Iwata: (laughs)


remember nearly 70 MILLION of that software is wii sports though

I don't see the relevance.

Wiis bundled with Wii Sports have had a higher MSRP than those which do not. In other words, Nintendo got paid for Wii Sports whether it was a Japanese customer buying it seperately or an American customer buying it bundled.

The customer is still getting a game, and Nintendo is still getting money for it. 3rd party games bundled with the HD systems are treated the same and counted in that huge software total.


Yes but when it happens on as large a scale as it did for Wii sports, there is some significance. Personally, I played my Wii sports for like 20 minutes... and when I bought my Wii i didn't have a choice... every system came with it.



 

 

im_sneaky said:
famousringo said:
leo-j said:


remember nearly 70 MILLION of that software is wii sports though

I don't see the relevance.

Wiis bundled with Wii Sports have had a higher MSRP than those which do not. In other words, Nintendo got paid for Wii Sports whether it was a Japanese customer buying it seperately or an American customer buying it bundled.

The customer is still getting a game, and Nintendo is still getting money for it. 3rd party games bundled with the HD systems are treated the same and counted in that huge software total.


Yes but when it happens on as large a scale as it did for Wii sports, there is some significance. Personally, I played my Wii sports for like 20 minutes... and when I bought my Wii i didn't have a choice... every system came with it.


I won't deny that a bundled game sells better than a non-bundled game, I just don't see that it makes a difference how a game is sold. Same goes for copies of Kung Fu Panda bundled with a 360. The publisher got paid for that game, and the customer got a game. How much the customer wanted it and how much they played it are irrelevant, and the fact that Microsoft subsidized the transaction just means the cost will get passed down to the consumer somewhere else (console price, Xbox Live subscription, licensing fees for other games).

You did have a choice. You could refuse to buy the Wii. The fact that you felt the Wii was worth buying despite the extra money you paid to get a game you didn't want doesn't change the fact that you paid Nintendo money for the game. That's $30 you were giving Nintendo in the form of an increased Wii price that you couldn't give EA or Activision. Their loss, Nintendo's gain.



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good read,nice to see the sales



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famousringo said:

I won't deny that a bundled game sells better than a non-bundled game, I just don't see that it makes a difference how a game is sold. Same goes for copies of Kung Fu Panda bundled with a 360. The publisher got paid for that game, and the customer got a game.


it doesn't always get the devs paid.sure kung fu panda being third party would have gotten paid but first party its a different deal

it can be the manufactures jst bundles it for free.yeah they earn profit but they don't earn the full profit what the game would have donea dn sometimes they don't earn anything on the game,the console profit is only thing.game is bundled for free to push hardware

nintendo earned alot but they would have earned billions if 70m standlone wii sports would have been bought



Solid_Snake4RD said:

good analysis

 

amazong that people think EA is stugling but is still  the highest selling 3rd party

Yeah but they still fired tons of people over the past few years.  Big sales don't necessarily lead to big profits if you release a billion games per year and most of them flop.



The Ghost of RubangB said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:

good analysis

 

amazong that people think EA is stugling but is still  the highest selling 3rd party

Yeah but they still fired tons of people over the past few years.  Big sales don't necessarily lead to big profits if you release a billion games per year and most of them flop.

correct

the biggest of their problem is that they have gotten so big that they jst can't make profit

so when they have some games finishing and releasing and making money,they have to invest that money into other games that are developing them so they jst don't make profit,jst money shifting



To be fair with EA, they sold over 250m games between the three consoles (PS2, Xbox, GC) so they have a long way to go yet and games cost more to make than ever before.



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