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pizzahut451 on 15 August 2010
highwaystar101 said:
pizzahut451 said:
highwaystar101 said:
pizzahut451 said:

And Buddisam isnt a relgion, so of course it doesnt subscirbe to my God. Not just my God but any God at all. since why its not a religion .Juddisam is much more spreaded trought the world than hinduisam,  and that all 3 abrahamic religions believe in the same God, thats was my whole point.


Did you understand my post? I'm not interested in debating the definition of religion. You asserted that most people believe in a God, and that God is the same God, just with different stories. I have tried to show in previous posts that this was false for two reasons:

1. Most of the world doesn't subscribe to the Abrahamic God,

2. Population sizes don't count when assessing the credibility of a God's existence objectively.

Now what I've shown is that simply is that number one is valid, as over 3 billion people in the world reject the Abrahamic God. Whether Buddhism is a religion or a philosophy is completely irrelevant to my argument, the bottom line is that they are half a billion people who do not subscribe to the Abrahamic God.

The same with Hinduism. Hinduism counts as over a billion people who reject the idea of the Abrahamic God. Whether they are a worldwide organisation or not doesn't matter, the point is that they don't subscribe to the Abrahamic God. I don't care if Jewish people are spread out worldwide, I'm not interested in debating that as it's completely irrelevant; the fact is that there is vastly more Hindus than Jews.

Either way population sizes wouldn't matter when looking at the credibility of a personal God. Whether it is Yaweh or Thor, the playing field is level.

you said ''most people are atheists to all Gods but one, but some of us just go one God further". I understood that you were talking about religions only because you said '' most people are atheists to all Gods but one'' and buddisam is not a religion so it doesnt fit into a group of people that are atheists to all Gods but one because they dont even have a God to begin with. And plus, i even said i was talking about Abrahamic religions only (which members are in THE MAJORITY in the world btw) so why you brought up the buddisam in the first place is beyond me.

 

I knew i sholdn ask that question.

That quote is actually a famous quote from Richard Dawkins, and I used it because it illustrates well one of the reasons that I am an atheist, it's not supposed to be taken a literally as that, I can apply the same quote to people who have many Gods. There are a lot of personal God(s) that people claim exist, I just don't think a personal God is worth believing in. Even so your claim after this was "But all people believe in the same God. (im talking about 3 major non-pagan religions) They just have diffrent cultures and diffrent book and worhsip him in the other way."

Now I showed two things to counter this point...

1. Not every non-pagan believes in the Abrahamic God, in fact many of them don't in the order of billions. This contradicts your use of the word "all", and saying that only the 3 Abrahamic religions count doesn't add anything I'm afraid as the world of non-pagans extends way past these.

What are those reliigions? Hinduisam is not a non-pagan religion and buddisam is not even a relgion, so what religions are you talking about?

2. Population sizes don't matter anyway. I can have 99% of the world accept something, but it doesn't make it correct. It may supersede my first point, but it's true.

I never said population matters in my original post anyway...

Now you seem to be obsessing over making me define what a religion is, even though it does not effect my argument in anyway . I keep repeating myself now, but whether Buddhism is a religion or not it doesn't matter because it is still half a billion non-pagans who don't subscribe to the Abrahamic God.

Even so, let's get down to the bottom line of my point. What makes the Abrahamic God more valid than all other Gods?

Because, when someone is a God , he is THE CREATOR and THE RULER of EVERYTHING in the EXISTANCE! For example, there cant be a ''Water God'' or ''God of Seas'' because that God cant controll andything that is out of water (things like fire and air, for an example) so he is not almighty, and thats the reason he cant be God, and thats the reason all the pagan Gods are false. There can ONLY BE 1 GOD,





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pearljammer on 15 August 2010

pizzahut451 said:


Because, when someone is a God , he is THE CREATOR and THE RULER of EVERYTHING in the EXISTANCE! For example, there cant be a ''Water God'' or ''God of Seas'' because that God cant controll andything that is out of water (things like fire and air, for an example) so he is not almighty, and thats the reason he cant be God, and thats the reason all the pagan Gods are false. There can ONLY BE 1 GOD,

But that just simply fits into your schema of what 'God' is. To polytheists, a god is not of supreme power.

That doesn't necessarily make it any more false. Just different.



Coca-Cola on 15 August 2010
pearljammer said:

pizzahut451 said:


Because, when someone is a God , he is THE CREATOR and THE RULER of EVERYTHING in the EXISTANCE! For example, there cant be a ''Water God'' or ''God of Seas'' because that God cant controll andything that is out of water (things like fire and air, for an example) so he is not almighty, and thats the reason he cant be God, and thats the reason all the pagan Gods are false. There can ONLY BE 1 GOD,

But that just simply fits into your schema of what 'God' is. To polytheists, a god is not of supreme power.

That doesn't necessarily make it any more false. Just different.

I agree that they are just different and they have different effects on society.  I believe in one God, but don't believe pagan gods are false - just that one God works better for society.  But again, that's my opinion.



pizzahut451 on 18 August 2010
pearljammer said:

pizzahut451 said:


Because, when someone is a God , he is THE CREATOR and THE RULER of EVERYTHING in the EXISTANCE! For example, there cant be a ''Water God'' or ''God of Seas'' because that God cant controll andything that is out of water (things like fire and air, for an example) so he is not almighty, and thats the reason he cant be God, and thats the reason all the pagan Gods are false. There can ONLY BE 1 GOD,

But that just simply fits into your schema of what 'God' is. To polytheists, a god is not of supreme power.

That doesn't necessarily make it any more false. Just different.

It fits into schema of a word "God".



pearljammer on 18 August 2010
pizzahut451 said:
pearljammer said:

pizzahut451 said:


Because, when someone is a God , he is THE CREATOR and THE RULER of EVERYTHING in the EXISTANCE! For example, there cant be a ''Water God'' or ''God of Seas'' because that God cant controll andything that is out of water (things like fire and air, for an example) so he is not almighty, and thats the reason he cant be God, and thats the reason all the pagan Gods are false. There can ONLY BE 1 GOD,

But that just simply fits into your schema of what 'God' is. To polytheists, a god is not of supreme power.

That doesn't necessarily make it any more false. Just different.

It fits into schema of a word "God".

A word or concept doesn't have a schema...

I'm honestly unsure how to respond to this. A schema is basically a mental structure of preconceived ideas. It's personal and will vary greatly from one individual to the next. What you've essentially done is rephrase what I'd said exluding the word 'my' - It fits into my schema of the word 'God.'



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trashleg on 18 August 2010

this kind of troubles me at the moment. i dont want to believe just for fear of going to hell.

and i dont like what Christianity has been and still is. Punishment and exclusion for those who are of a different mindset. Like the schoolyard bully who wants everyone to agree with him or be punched in the face.

i just dont believe anymore, im not sure i ever really did. the Bible is really just a big, elaborate book of fairy tales it would seem. Men rising from the dead, magic turning water into wine, and a God who punishes people for questioning their faith. Why shouldn't we question our faith? How are you supposed to know what you believe in if it isn't tested?

dont get me wrong, a lot of Christians are good people. but there are a whole lot of people who are good who arent Christians. :)



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pizzahut451 on 20 August 2010
pearljammer said:
pizzahut451 said:
pearljammer said:

pizzahut451 said:


Because, when someone is a God , he is THE CREATOR and THE RULER of EVERYTHING in the EXISTANCE! For example, there cant be a ''Water God'' or ''God of Seas'' because that God cant controll andything that is out of water (things like fire and air, for an example) so he is not almighty, and thats the reason he cant be God, and thats the reason all the pagan Gods are false. There can ONLY BE 1 GOD,

But that just simply fits into your schema of what 'God' is. To polytheists, a god is not of supreme power.

That doesn't necessarily make it any more false. Just different.

It fits into schema of a word "God".

A word or concept doesn't have a schema...

I'm honestly unsure how to respond to this. A schema is basically a mental structure of preconceived ideas. It's personal and will vary greatly from one individual to the next. What you've essentially done is rephrase what I'd said exluding the word 'my' - It fits into my schema of the word 'God.'


Angel Gabriel came to Muhammed and said that the people of Meka and Medina should stop worshiping false Gods and turn their prayers to the one REAL God...thats the evidance that  all pagan Gods are false. Also, our God is more powerfull than their Gods, thats the other reason why their God is false. And most of pagan religions dont even have relgious book.



Rath on 20 August 2010

 

Because, when someone is a God , he is THE CREATOR and THE RULER of EVERYTHING in the EXISTANCE! For example, there cant be a ''Water God'' or ''God of Seas'' because that God cant controll andything that is out of water (things like fire and air, for an example) so he is not almighty, and thats the reason he cant be God, and thats the reason all the pagan Gods are false. There can ONLY BE 1 GOD,

 

That's only by your very narrow definition of god. Not anything official. In any case there are multiple other religions that have a supreme creator here are a couple of examples;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikhism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoroastrianism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenrikyo

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cao_Dai



Kantor on 20 August 2010

In my opinion, if God is real (we can't say he is or isn't at the present moment), there would be something more to pleasing him than listening to a 2000 year old book and sitting in a stuffy building for an hour every week.

So much hatred is spewed by every religion, I can't believe that an omnibenevolent God could possibly approve.



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pearljammer on 20 August 2010
pizzahut451 said:
pearljammer said:

A word or concept doesn't have a schema...

I'm honestly unsure how to respond to this. A schema is basically a mental structure of preconceived ideas. It's personal and will vary greatly from one individual to the next. What you've essentially done is rephrase what I'd said exluding the word 'my' - It fits into my schema of the word 'God.'


Angel Gabriel came to Muhammed and said that the people of Meka and Medina should stop worshiping false Gods and turn their prayers to the one REAL God...thats the evidance that  all pagan Gods are false. Also, our God is more powerfull than their Gods, thats the other reason why their God is false. And most of pagan religions dont even have relgious book.

That is hardly evidence. I'm sure you're not understanding what I'm saying now and I'm unsure how else to explain it. So I'm just going to end it here.