It took him 14 years to complete it, not 14 years to get into the US and start improving his life.

I agree. People get so jacked up on these animal core instincts they forget the real implications socially, culterally and economically.

Ive been waiting to screen the whole documentary for a while since im in Ohio i havent really had a chance but if this happens on a larger scale it will be devastating.

Im so fucking sick of us never learning from mistakes as people. Even something so recently we can apply like 9500liberty.

So youre saying the process is easy enough to where a family should simply hold tight rather than chance moving across an imaginary line? 

The main problem is you assume the worst in people, i assume there are some bad apples. Even if you want to use numbers, your 1:5, id take helping 80% of people and work on reducing the 20% than destroying everyones life in one fell swoop.

No dammit. Have you not read my posts saying I agree that the USA cannot allow the current flow of illegal immigration to continue? I'm pretty sure I've posted it at least twice so far in this thread. I'm just saying that you're unfairly demonizing the illegal immigrants as being 'bad people'.

Also if you look at the economic demographics you will find that hispanics are generally in the same area as African Americans.

Also the only reason I deleted that is because I felt it added nothing to my post and had the possibility of becoming a distraction.

<table style="width: 90%;" border="0"><tr><td><strong>MARCUSDJACKSON said:</strong><br /><p>so tourist are fare people, illegals are bad, and citizens that are Mexicans could be mistaken for illegals and get deported cause they have no id. you can say it doesn't happen or it's not suppose to happen but facing facts it does.</p> <p>hey i got's an idea? deport everybody that has an accent, and that should solve the problem or is that the stupidest idea you ever heard?</p> <p>so if i line 5 random illegals up, one of them will or have committed a crime. i don't know? sounds like BS to me!</p></td></tr></table><br /><br />

First off, I highly doubt that any citizen would be deported for not having ID. At worst case an individual who was a citizen but had remarkably poor language skills would be detained for a very short period of time until paperwork was provided that demonstrated their citizenship. Realistically, I wouldn’t expect this to happen in more than 0.01% of cases being that someone who had been in the country long enough to be a citizen would (likely) develop language skills and mannerisms that would make it unlikely that they were suspected of being an illegal immigrant; and most citizens would carry enough identification that most police officers would be convinced of their status.

I have a question though, how is it fair that someone who subverted the system and jumped the line is allowed to stay in the country when there are so many more qualified potential immigrants that are waiting for their opportunity to immigrate to the United States? Would you think that it was fair if it affected you? What if you were 10th in line for a fancy electronic device and someone butted in at the front of the line 2 minutes before the store opened and there was only 10 of these devices available, would you think that it was fair that they got one when you waited in line for 2 days to get it?

Well read my posts please. I never said illegales are all bad people.

Lets say your in a car accident and badly injured with a small kid, but the kid was just fine, and you needed leave him with someone while you were taken to the hospital. You expected them to take your kid to the hospital waiting room. Let's say you also knew no one at the scene.

There were two groups of people there you could leave him with. One group looked like some gang members overlooking the accident, and the other group were police officers.

Are you telling me you think the average chance that leaving your child with either group would yield the same results?

I hope your not. Now I am sure there are people in the group that look like gang members that will do the right thing, but on average, the odds are not in there favor.

Now let's say those two groups of people were Legal Mexicans on one side, and illegal Mexicans on the other.

I think what your telling me, is you think there is absolutely no statistical difference in outcome based on what group you leave your kid with. If that's what your saying, I am telling you your wrong.

I am an American, and speak perfect English. I am sure if I was stopped, and refused to show an officer any identification, I would be detained for longer then "a very short period".

Why dont you make it a fair analogy. How about dirty cops who work skim off drug busts and get prostitues vs people who look like gang bangers that attend a community college and all have no criminal records?

Mafoo, your analogies are ridiculous and dont actually pose intelligent thought or discussion, we all have biases and judgments, would i want a child molester watch my kids? no. Would i let a stranger watch my kids? no? So does that mean i feel a stranger is as bad as a child molester? Absolutely not, but if I had to choose? Obviously the stranger....oh wait then it turns out hes a murderer, becuse the thing about REAL LIFE is you dont get to make up fancy little scenerios to suit your argument, there are more variables with real outcomes affecting real lives.

Id rather side with the people who say theres no way to get it perfect but lets help 80% than people who say we have 20% bad in a group of 100% so everyones out.

Argh. I can't believe you deny calling illegal immigrants bad people and then compare them as a group to gang members. I'm giving up on this.

Its all relative ...

I highly doubt someone who was in the country legally would have difficulty providing evidence of their status within a couple of hours of being detained; and (while I know nothing of Arizona's infrastructure) I would expect that simply providing the police with your name and address would enable them to look up your drivers licence information (with picture) if you had one which would resolve the issue instantaneously.