If you think illegals are good people, you're a rasist.

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TheRealMafoo said:

Rath said:

TheRealMafoo said:

Rath said:

Let me put it simply, there is statistically a higher rate of murders commited by African Americans. Would you find it offensive if I said that blacks are murderers and bad people? I sure as hell would, because only a very very small percentage of the population actually are (though comparative percentages make it look far larger). You're using statistics to stereotype basically.

You don't get to delete this just yet ;)

to be clear, while the number of blacks who commit murder is higher, the real cause of murder is more economic, then it is racial. The number of very poor white people who commit murder is the same as poor black people, and the number of middle class and upper class black people who commit murder is the same as white people.

It just happens they there is a disproportionate number of black people who are poor, so it slants the figures.

How about we approach this differently....

Today the US chooses who they let into there country. They might chose based on criminal record, volume of immigrants, education background, whatever they chose. What your saying, is the US has no right to make that call, that whoever wants to enter the US has a right to be here, and regardless of what the US governments thinks about it, the immigrants are right.

Is that your position?

No dammit. Have you not read my posts saying I agree that the USA cannot allow the current flow of illegal immigration to continue? I'm pretty sure I've posted it at least twice so far in this thread. I'm just saying that you're unfairly demonizing the illegal immigrants as being 'bad people'.

Also if you look at the economic demographics you will find that hispanics are generally in the same area as African Americans.

 

Also the only reason I deleted that is because I felt it added nothing to my post and had the possibility of becoming a distraction.

Well read my posts please. I never said illegales are all bad people.

Lets say your in a car accident and badly injured with a small kid, but the kid was just fine, and you needed leave him with someone while you were taken to the hospital. You expected them to take your kid to the hospital waiting room. Let's say you also knew no one at the scene.

There were two groups of people there you could leave him with. One group looked like some gang members overlooking the accident, and the other group were police officers.

Are you telling me you think the average chance that leaving your child with either group would yield the same results?

I hope your not. Now I am sure there are people in the group that look like gang members that will do the right thing, but on average, the odds are not in there favor.

Now let's say those two groups of people were Legal Mexicans on one side, and illegal Mexicans on the other.

I think what your telling me, is you think there is absolutely no statistical difference in outcome based on what group you leave your kid with. If that's what your saying, I am telling you your wrong.

Why dont you make it a fair analogy. How about dirty cops who work skim off drug busts and get prostitues vs people who look like gang bangers that attend a community college and all have no criminal records?

Mafoo, your analogies are ridiculous and dont actually pose intelligent thought or discussion, we all have biases and judgments, would i want a child molester watch my kids? no. Would i let a stranger watch my kids? no? So does that mean i feel a stranger is as bad as a child molester? Absolutely not, but if I had to choose? Obviously the stranger....oh wait then it turns out hes a murderer, becuse the thing about REAL LIFE is you dont get to make up fancy little scenerios to suit your argument, there are more variables with real outcomes affecting real lives.

Id rather side with the people who say theres no way to get it perfect but lets help 80% than people who say we have 20% bad in a group of 100% so everyones out.