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selnor on 02 August 2010
NJ5 said:
welshbloke said:
NJ5 said:

My calculator evaluates trillions of possible answers to 1 plus 1 every second. It knows that it is not 3, or 4, or 5, or ....

That's the only sense by which Kinect can evaluate anything trillions of times per frame.

I could take your point or I could believe that this chap knows his onions.

PhD at Edinburgh University, 1992:
Stable Segmentation of 2D Curves

Andrew Fitzgibbon is a senior researcher at Microsoft Research, Cambridge, UK. His research interests are in the intersection of computer vision and computer graphics, with excursions into neuroscience. Recent papers have been on the recovery of 3D geometry from 2D images, general-purpose camera calibration, human 3D perception, and the application of natural image statistics to problems of figure/ground separation and new-view synthesis.

He has twice received the IEEE's Marr Prize, the highest in computer vision; and software he wrote won an Engineering Emmy Award in 2002 for significant contributions to the creation of complex visual effects. In 2006 he was awarded the Roger Needham Award for his contributions to computer vision and machine learning.

He studied Mathematics and Computer Science at University College Cork and at Heriot-Watt University, and received his PhD from Edinburgh University in 1997, then spending 8 years at Oxford University's Department of Engineering Science before joining Microsoft in 2005.

 

I don't care if the guy is a Nobel Prize winning astronaut who has fucked Claudia Schiffer, that quote is wrong by the simple fact that the only mainstream hardware which can do a trillion of anything per second is a very fast GPU, and that's when counting very simple operations like a floating point calculation (and it's not even 30 trillion per second which would be required for doing it at 30 fps).

Listen to NJ5 a forum poster on the good old interwebz, or 

someone who knows what they are talking about.

Hmm. Love the internet.



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welshbloke on 02 August 2010
Scruff7 said:

Question is: will it successfully sell to the general public like the Wii did, and will it sell to existing owners?

I think the casual end of the Wii market may well be looking for a change. Will they stomach the full cost i.e. $250 for the bundle it is a tall order but not impossible. I am still optimistic that we will see a price reduction but even a bundle of $199 is pushing things but that would make a big difference to those owners of dusty Wii machines who are looking for the next big thing.

Potentially I think both the PS3 and the 360 can benefit from the dusty wii owners club but how big is this dusty wii owners club anyway 5, 15or 30% ???



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Mr Puggsly on 02 August 2010
unknown_soul89 said:
A Bad Clown said:
Mr Puggsly said:
Nomad Blue said:
WilliamWatts said:

CNN = mainstream.

IGN = core/hardcore gamer nerdlings.


The majority of the CNN audience is 40plus years old(iirc).  Which is not the type of audience who'll care about Kinect, or are likely to go out and buy it.

But core gaming nerds at IGN aren't likely to buy it either.

Also, lets remember CNN is the 18th most popular website in the US. While IGN is 186 I believe.

I would guess CNN's reach to casual gamers and people with disposable income is much larger.

The 40 year old Will Wimpys will tell their Sally Soccermom wives to buy it for their children for christmas. The middle aged Bob Businessmen will buy it for their family to keep them occupied while they are on numerous "Business Trips". It's perfect marketing!

Sell to the one that doesn't know any better and disappoint everyone, yes perfect marketing 

Well yeah. That's the casual audience. Wii dominates it.

The way I figure it, if people can actually have fun with those Wii party games. They'll go ape shit for the Kinect.



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Pipedream24 on 02 August 2010

As far as people thinking it's to expensive remember this....When something becomes a must have product for the holidays, common sense gets thrown out the window.  Maybe some of you are too young to remember the insanity of $1000 Furbee's and Tickle Me Elmo's.  These were just stuffed animals.  Four years ago, you had people paying three times the retail price for a Wii.  If the mainstream media continues to hammer into the general publics' brains that they have to own this, they will pay the price. 



unknown_soul89 on 02 August 2010
Mr Puggsly said:
unknown_soul89 said:
A Bad Clown said:
Mr Puggsly said:
Nomad Blue said:
WilliamWatts said:

CNN = mainstream.

IGN = core/hardcore gamer nerdlings.


The majority of the CNN audience is 40plus years old(iirc).  Which is not the type of audience who'll care about Kinect, or are likely to go out and buy it.

But core gaming nerds at IGN aren't likely to buy it either.

Also, lets remember CNN is the 18th most popular website in the US. While IGN is 186 I believe.

I would guess CNN's reach to casual gamers and people with disposable income is much larger.

The 40 year old Will Wimpys will tell their Sally Soccermom wives to buy it for their children for christmas. The middle aged Bob Businessmen will buy it for their family to keep them occupied while they are on numerous "Business Trips". It's perfect marketing!

Sell to the one that doesn't know any better and disappoint everyone, yes perfect marketing 

Well yeah. That's the casual audience. Wii dominates it.

The way I figure it, if people can actually have fun with those Wii party games. They'll go ape shit for the Kinect.

Kinect hasn't exactly proven itself better then wii's party games though, and casuals don't like to spend alot or own multiple consoles, so the fact that wii already owns the market makes it doubtful that people are going to go out and get kinect unless they really buy into MSes BS marketing



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Sweep on 02 August 2010
welshbloke said:
Scruff7 said:

Question is: will it successfully sell to the general public like the Wii did, and will it sell to existing owners?

I think the casual end of the Wii market may well be looking for a change. Will they stomach the full cost i.e. $250 for the bundle it is a tall order but not impossible. I am still optimistic that we will see a price reduction but even a bundle of $199 is pushing things but that would make a big difference to those owners of dusty Wii machines who are looking for the next big thing.

Potentially I think both the PS3 and the 360 can benefit from the dusty wii owners club but how big is this dusty wii owners club anyway 5, 15or 30% ???

IIRC, the bundle is at $300, not $250



Smidlee on 02 August 2010
selnor said:
NJ5 said:
welshbloke said:
NJ5 said:

My calculator evaluates trillions of possible answers to 1 plus 1 every second. It knows that it is not 3, or 4, or 5, or ....

That's the only sense by which Kinect can evaluate anything trillions of times per frame.

I could take your point or I could believe that this chap knows his onions.

PhD at Edinburgh University, 1992:
Stable Segmentation of 2D Curves

Andrew Fitzgibbon is a senior researcher at Microsoft Research, Cambridge, UK. His research interests are in the intersection of computer vision and computer graphics, with excursions into neuroscience. Recent papers have been on the recovery of 3D geometry from 2D images, general-purpose camera calibration, human 3D perception, and the application of natural image statistics to problems of figure/ground separation and new-view synthesis.

He has twice received the IEEE's Marr Prize, the highest in computer vision; and software he wrote won an Engineering Emmy Award in 2002 for significant contributions to the creation of complex visual effects. In 2006 he was awarded the Roger Needham Award for his contributions to computer vision and machine learning.

He studied Mathematics and Computer Science at University College Cork and at Heriot-Watt University, and received his PhD from Edinburgh University in 1997, then spending 8 years at Oxford University's Department of Engineering Science before joining Microsoft in 2005.

 

I don't care if the guy is a Nobel Prize winning astronaut who has fucked Claudia Schiffer, that quote is wrong by the simple fact that the only mainstream hardware which can do a trillion of anything per second is a very fast GPU, and that's when counting very simple operations like a floating point calculation (and it's not even 30 trillion per second which would be required for doing it at 30 fps).

Listen to NJ5 a forum poster on the good old interwebz, or 

someone who knows what they are talking about.

Hmm. Love the internet.

What do you think this statement really means?

"What Natal does, is it evaluates effectively trillions of body configurations every frame. We've made it do that 30 times a second."

 X360 does not even have  a trillion bits.  Trillion is a really huge number. I've heard that  a trillion dollars in 100 dollar bills would stack in a pile that's 67 miles high.



selnor on 02 August 2010
Smidlee said:
selnor said:
NJ5 said:
welshbloke said:
NJ5 said:

My calculator evaluates trillions of possible answers to 1 plus 1 every second. It knows that it is not 3, or 4, or 5, or ....

That's the only sense by which Kinect can evaluate anything trillions of times per frame.

I could take your point or I could believe that this chap knows his onions.

PhD at Edinburgh University, 1992:
Stable Segmentation of 2D Curves

Andrew Fitzgibbon is a senior researcher at Microsoft Research, Cambridge, UK. His research interests are in the intersection of computer vision and computer graphics, with excursions into neuroscience. Recent papers have been on the recovery of 3D geometry from 2D images, general-purpose camera calibration, human 3D perception, and the application of natural image statistics to problems of figure/ground separation and new-view synthesis.

He has twice received the IEEE's Marr Prize, the highest in computer vision; and software he wrote won an Engineering Emmy Award in 2002 for significant contributions to the creation of complex visual effects. In 2006 he was awarded the Roger Needham Award for his contributions to computer vision and machine learning.

He studied Mathematics and Computer Science at University College Cork and at Heriot-Watt University, and received his PhD from Edinburgh University in 1997, then spending 8 years at Oxford University's Department of Engineering Science before joining Microsoft in 2005.

 

I don't care if the guy is a Nobel Prize winning astronaut who has fucked Claudia Schiffer, that quote is wrong by the simple fact that the only mainstream hardware which can do a trillion of anything per second is a very fast GPU, and that's when counting very simple operations like a floating point calculation (and it's not even 30 trillion per second which would be required for doing it at 30 fps).

Listen to NJ5 a forum poster on the good old interwebz, or 

someone who knows what they are talking about.

Hmm. Love the internet.

What do you think this statement really means?

"What Natal does, is it evaluates effectively trillions of body configurations every frame. We've made it do that 30 times a second."

 X360 does not even have  a trillion bits.  Trillion is a really huge number. I've heard that  a trillion dollars in 100 dollar bills would stack in a pile that's 67 miles high.


There isnt really anything anyone can say on this random internet forum that will change me to believe what you say over someone with his pedigree in this particular field. 

No offense.

He obviously could be wrong. He is human. But the chances are he is more right than anyone here.



Smidlee on 02 August 2010

 In another words you have no idea.



selnor on 02 August 2010
Smidlee said:

 In another words you have no idea.


I have my ideas, yes. But he is alot more knowledgeable than any of us.