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LordTheNightKnight said:
Mr Puggsly said:
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LordTheNightKnight said:

Well this will help determine how much of the Wii audience likes those games.

If "those games" are first person shooters. I think the Call of Duty ports already determined that.


No, it just shows that without local multiplayer and barely any marketing, CoD games on the Wii sell about as much as the series before Modern Warfare on the HD systems.

Actually, the current CoD games on the Wii haven't sold as well as the pre-MW games on the 360.

CoD 2 and 3 almost sold 2.5 million each.  I imagine they are pretty popular as digital downloads as well. The best selling CoD game on the Wii is only at 1.5 million.

Conduit 2 offers split screen but so does Golden Eye. Black Ops with or without splitscreen will be the most successful shooter of the three.


Don't you pretend I made a qualifier I didn't. Did you even bother to notice what I wrote?

Yeah, I read it.

You said the Wii CoD games performed about as well as the pre-MW on the HD consoles. But if check the 360 sales of CoD 2 and 3 you'll see that's not the case.

Lets remember MW:Reflex was the only release that had no marketing. CoD3 on the Wii came just a week after the other releases. WaW was released the same day.

Its not like people were unaware of MW:Reflex. Every major publication was covering it and its sitting on the shelf at every retailer. The only thing keeping Wii owners from buying it is lack of interest. Shooting fans bought other consoles.


You can't counter with ONE system when I clearly wrote about a plural.

I had a feeling you were just comparing it to the PS3. You'll spin it anyway just to make the Wii look good.

The PS3 was $600 when CoD3 came out. Its also likely many Sony fans just bought the PS2 version. Note, this site didn't fully track the PS2 sales of CoD3.

CoD3 was also the only tolerable shooter on the Wii until another CoD came out.


I didn't just compare it do the PS3, or I would have wrote that. First you lie about my plural being a singular for one system, and then you lie about it being a singular for another. Not to mention someone pointed out you lied about the press Reflex got. You're just spinning this and trying to project it on me. It's not working.

Well you obviously knew CoD3 on the Wii did much less than the 360. But better than the PS3. So don't say it did about as well as the HD consoles. Because it didn't. It did better than one for obvious reason and much less than the other.

I didn't lie, you just don't know.  Every major gaming publication reviewed it. And it receieved mostly great scores from the popular publications.



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Mr Puggsly said:
intro94 said:
Mr Puggsly said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
Mr Puggsly said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
Mr Puggsly said:
LordTheNightKnight said:

Well this will help determine how much of the Wii audience likes those games.

If "those games" are first person shooters. I think the Call of Duty ports already determined that.


No, it just shows that without local multiplayer and barely any marketing, CoD games on the Wii sell about as much as the series before Modern Warfare on the HD systems.

Actually, the current CoD games on the Wii haven't sold as well as the pre-MW games on the 360.

CoD 2 and 3 almost sold 2.5 million each.  I imagine they are pretty popular as digital downloads as well. The best selling CoD game on the Wii is only at 1.5 million.

Conduit 2 offers split screen but so does Golden Eye. Black Ops with or without splitscreen will be the most successful shooter of the three.


Don't you pretend I made a qualifier I didn't. Did you even bother to notice what I wrote?

Yeah, I read it.

You said the Wii CoD games performed about as well as the pre-MW on the HD consoles. But if check the 360 sales of CoD 2 and 3 you'll see that's not the case.

Lets remember MW:Reflex was the only release that had no marketing. CoD3 on the Wii came just a week after the other releases. WaW was released the same day.

Its not like people were unaware of MW:Reflex. Every major publication was covering it and its sitting on the shelf at every retailer. The only thing keeping Wii owners from buying it is lack of interest. Shooting fans bought other consoles.

every major publication giving reflex coverage?thats a blantant lie as it was ignored by most publications with poor reduced and undermined mentions in a FEW cases. 2ndly,never say that a million seller is sitting on shelves.If you say its sitting as figurative form some other version sold more, then you can say ps3 sat on shelves because 360 sold twice than it. And you know thats wrong.A game that sold 1 million in 6 months IS NOT IN A SITTING ON SHELVES CATEGORY.

Haha, you can't be serious? I'm saying its sitting on the shelves literally. I can go to any major retailer and see the game right there sitting on a shelf. Its no secret to Wii owners that Modern Warfare is available on their console. Making them care is another story.

You must live in world different from me, maybe bizarro world. Because from what I can tell all the major magazines and websites covered MW:Reflex. And it received great scores from all the publications that matter.

so all games that are being sold literally sit on shelves. Yes even the HD versions.im guessing no game sells then. Not bizarro world. I know for a fact not even club nintendo magazine gave reflex more than a page of coverage.Comparing it to a Halo or MW2 coverage in magazine is ludicrous and ridiculous.Getting a review is fairly different from building previews and hype.



intro94 said:

so all games that are being sold sit on shelves. Yes even the HD versions.im guessing now game sells then. Not bizarro world. I know for a fact not even club nintendo magazine gave reflex more than a page of coverage.Comparing it to a Halo or MW2 coverage in magazine is ludicrous and ridiculous.Getting a review is fairly different from building previews and hype.


Yes, games are often found sitting on shelves. When you go to the store they generally have games on shelves and people often look through the selection. Its very likely many Wii owners saw MW:Reflex sitting there.

Wow, when did I claim it got coverage similar to Halo and MW2? Go read all my posts and find where I made that claim. Because that's just retarded. It was definitely hyped (not Halo hype, but definitely hyped), it received attention from all major publications, and that's all I have to say.

At some point you have to stop pointing the finger and making excuses. I'm a Wii owner and I understand it has a fan base that doesn't particularly care about shooters.



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Mr Puggsly said:
intro94 said:

so all games that are being sold sit on shelves. Yes even the HD versions.im guessing now game sells then. Not bizarro world. I know for a fact not even club nintendo magazine gave reflex more than a page of coverage.Comparing it to a Halo or MW2 coverage in magazine is ludicrous and ridiculous.Getting a review is fairly different from building previews and hype.


Yes, games are often found sitting on shelves. When you go to the store they generally have games on shelves and people often look through the selection. Its very likely many Wii owners saw MW:Reflex sitting there.

Wow, when did I claim it got coverage similar to Halo and MW2? Go read all my posts and find where I made that claim. Because that's just retarded. It was definitely hyped (not Halo hype, but definitely hyped), it received attention from all major publications, and that's all I have to say.

At some point you have to stop pointing the finger and making excuses. I'm a Wii owner and I understand it has a fan base that doesn't particularly care about shooters.

You represent the fanbase?Hyped it was by no means.It was anti hyped if anything.And reviewed, just like any wiiware game. Using your anecdotal evidence as facts in both cases, thinking you represent the playerbase and thinking your local retailers matter.In a site essentially represented by charts, its a bit silly to argument that .Obviously, other retailers have been selling that game fairly well and without price cuts. The numbers obviously show is not really sitting anywhere.The hours per gamer based on nintendo channel also show a very extended gameplay for shooters. Again, why you say the fanbase doesnt cares about shooters given than the COD game sell fairly above platinum?There is a good fanbase caring about shooters and ensuring repeated sequels.If you mean, particularly as huge, then what is huge?360 numbers? Or half of them are fine?. Again, what are your requisites to qualify. PS3 numbers, which are a lot smaller than 360 ones?Obviously you tailor what you consider a propper number to whatever the wii cant reach.But you know, the industry generally would consider any million seller for a yearly project fairly succesful.

If nintendo made a first party online shooter with all the ads of Halo 3, trust me, it would sell largely .Pushing the ad muscle of Mario Kart would do wonders for it. 

You didnt like the game, fine.But the wii market share shows theres interest to increase the amounts of shooters for the system , from 1, to 2, to 3 a year.In this one particularly, 3 third party exclusive ones, as opposed as none 2 years ago. Why you wonder?Well because publishers(and their analysts) noticed theres interest and a market.Not because they are stupid as you might infer.Sales of a poorly funded new ip sold enough to warrant a sequel last year and now they jumped into the train.

If you say..particularly.What is particularly for you?NSMB wii and Mkart? honestly those games were not availiable and wont be for other systems, so you can never gauge their potential perfomance. And those systems wont ever reach such figures in sales with ANY genre.The thing is, no wii genre needs to be particularly interesting for most of playerbase.Theres plenty of markets within the wii share and thats enough to make games, in this case, MORE games.

Proof to clarify.You think , Call of Juarez was more expensive or cheaper to market and develop than porting MW to the wii?.Call of Juarez*im picking a random quality HD game is considered a bomb?No, despite selling a load less than MWR.I can tell you right here, the profit from Reflex was huge, the developing time was minimal and the investment a fraction.In other words, it made a lot more of money than that ip. Now think, as a publisher, what do you want?money.What makes more money sometimes?Making an ip for the wii, or for the crowded HD systems?Now you can say you cant compare such franchises.Sure.But it doesnt matter.The thing is , sometimes its much better and profitable to make a shooter for the wii. But even so, it was STILL profitable to make Call of Juarez.Imagine how its then for Activision regarding MWR.

So in a nutshell, despite your local retailers experience, its selling quite well for industry standarts, and given the investment and lack of exclusivity.And hint hint, thats why Black Ops is coming right up.



intro94 said:

You represent the fanbase?Hyped it was by no means.It was anti hyped if anything.And reviewed, just like any wiiware game. Using your anecdotal evidence as facts in both cases, thinking you represent the playerbase and thinking your local retailers matter.In a site essentially represented by charts, its a bit silly to argument that .Obviously, other retailers have been selling that game fairly well and without price cuts. The numbers obviously show is not really sitting anywhere.The hours per gamer based on nintendo channel also show a very extended gameplay for shooters. Again, why you say the fanbase doesnt cares about shooters given than the COD game sell fairly above platinum?There is a good fanbase caring about shooters and ensuring repeated sequels.If you mean, particularly as huge, then what is huge?360 numbers? Or half of them are fine?. Again, what are your requisites to qualify. PS3 numbers, which are a lot smaller than 360 ones?Obviously you tailor what you consider a propper number to whatever the wii cant reach.But you know, the industry generally would consider any million seller for a yearly project fairly succesful.

If nintendo made a first party online shooter with all the ads of Halo 3, trust me, it would sell largely .Pushing the ad muscle of Mario Kart would do wonders for it. 

You didnt like the game, fine.But the wii market share shows theres interest to increase the amounts of shooters for the system , from 1, to 2, to 3 a year.In this one particularly, 3 third party exclusive ones, as opposed as none 2 years ago. Why you wonder?Well because publishers(and their analysts) noticed theres interest and a market.Not because they are stupid as you might infer.Sales of a poorly funded new ip sold enough to warrant a sequel last year and now they jumped into the train.

If you say..particularly.What is particularly for you?NSMB wii and Mkart? honestly those games were not availiable and wont be for other systems, so you can never gauge their potential perfomance. And those systems wont ever reach such figures in sales with ANY genre.The thing is, no wii genre needs to be particularly interesting for most of playerbase.Theres plenty of markets within the wii share and thats enough to make games, in this case, MORE games.

Proof to clarify.You think , Call of Juarez was more expensive or cheaper to market and develop than porting MW to the wii?.Call of Juarez*im picking a random quality HD game is considered a bomb?No, despite selling a load less than MWR.I can tell you right here, the profit from Reflex was huge, the developing time was minimal and the investment a fraction.In other words, it made a lot more of money than that ip. Now think, as a publisher, what do you want?money.What makes more money sometimes?Making an ip for the wii, or for the crowded HD systems?Now you can say you cant compare such franchises.Sure.But it doesnt matter.The thing is , sometimes its much better and profitable to make a shooter for the wii. But even so, it was STILL profitable to make Call of Juarez.Imagine how its then for Activision regarding MWR.

So in a nutshell, despite your local retailers experience, its selling quite well for industry standarts, and given the investment and lack of exclusivity.And hint hint, thats why Black Ops is coming right up.

Oh man, I'm not gonna even bother responding to this. Its like when my drunken grandfather would lecture me.

I'm just saying the Wii doesn't do a particularly great job selling shooters. Even mega popular franchise like CoD only pulls in modest numbers on the Wii.

Make of that what you will.



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LordTheNightKnight said:
Mr Puggsly said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
Mr Puggsly said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
Mr Puggsly said:
LordTheNightKnight said:

Well this will help determine how much of the Wii audience likes those games.

If "those games" are first person shooters. I think the Call of Duty ports already determined that.


No, it just shows that without local multiplayer and barely any marketing, CoD games on the Wii sell about as much as the series before Modern Warfare on the HD systems.

Actually, the current CoD games on the Wii haven't sold as well as the pre-MW games on the 360.

CoD 2 and 3 almost sold 2.5 million each.  I imagine they are pretty popular as digital downloads as well. The best selling CoD game on the Wii is only at 1.5 million.

Conduit 2 offers split screen but so does Golden Eye. Black Ops with or without splitscreen will be the most successful shooter of the three.


Don't you pretend I made a qualifier I didn't. Did you even bother to notice what I wrote?

Yeah, I read it.

You said the Wii CoD games performed about as well as the pre-MW on the HD consoles. But if check the 360 sales of CoD 2 and 3 you'll see that's not the case.

Lets remember MW:Reflex was the only release that had no marketing. CoD3 on the Wii came just a week after the other releases. WaW was released the same day.

Its not like people were unaware of MW:Reflex. Every major publication was covering it and its sitting on the shelf at every retailer. The only thing keeping Wii owners from buying it is lack of interest. Shooting fans bought other consoles.


You can't counter with ONE system when I clearly wrote about a plural.


So if you use plural, maybe you should count the sales on both hd consoles and think again? Eh?



Oh and this box art is sooo much better than the first one. It was too cheesy.



Is that supposed to be Mr. Ford? It doesn't look like Mr. Ford...



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mysticwolf said:

Is that supposed to be Mr. Ford? It doesn't look like Mr. Ford...

i know.im trying to reach HVS to suggest them to remove the helmet before they print.They said IT IS Mr. Ford, but how the heck are we gonna asume that as it is?



greenmedic88 said:

Master Chief called. He wants his look bac


well master chief never returned Doomguys calls so.Payback lol.