themanwithnoname said: Jay520 said: Dark_Feanor said: LOL, these PS3 fan boys a vary funny "dr Jones". Is it so hard to see the truth?? Just look at the charts. It's not a matter of quality, ODST was considered a avarage game, almost nothing new from Halo 3. Nevertheless it sold more than any PS3 "master piece".   1 Halo 3: ODST (X360) Microsoft 3.98 0.06 1.39 5.43 Uncharted 2: Among Thieves(PS3) Sony Computer Entertainment 1.68 0.12 1.66 3.46 3 God of War III (PS3) Sony Computer Entertainment 1.74 0.10 0.94 2.78 Heavy Rain (PS3) Sony Computer Entertainment 0.59 0.05 0.72 1.36 MAG: Massive Action Game (PS3) Sony Computer Entertainment 0.54 0.07 0.26 0.87 Killzone 2 (PS3) Sony Computer Entertainment 1.11 0.08 1.15 2.34 I blame the Americans. Although I am one. Edit: Wasn't ODST bundled? For a little while, but it was already above all those games before it was.

Funny thing was it was downscored because of it's price. Nothing more. I'd still buy ODST over any of those games. Because it has what the others dont have. Classic Bungie gameplay. That simply isnt bettered for me. 

And with the sales, you dont think some of those were due to Reach Beta? Where over 2 million people played the Reach beta?

*facepalm*

Should we start killing some type of arctic animal whenever someone hopelessly attempts to translate internet hype into actual sales?

I know. I know. But Ive never seen so much interest on this site to buy a 360 over any other game.

But of course the Limited Edition silver 360s will definately take HW sales up on Reach release.

Personally I saw more hype for ME2 and Gears 2 on this site. Either way, this site is terrible for predicting community based sales. Otherwise, Uncharted 2 and GoW3 would have sold 10s of millions!

I know this... but how much... 100k? 200k? 300k This is not a massive boost... now call me how many people are waiting GT5 for purchase a PS3 in Europe??? People who don't attend games forums and should just buy a PS3 for Gran Turismo.

I know the answer too.

Hrm... I think both sides of the camp are overstating system boosts for their games. I'll look at the big 2: Halo Reach and Gran Turismo 5.

Reach: With both Halo 3 and ODST being out already for the system, I think fans of the series are already on board. Ordinarilly, I'd say that I could still see a decent boost for the Reach system bundle, but with bundles being done for both Halo 3 and ODST before, I really think that it will be mostly muted, as I imagine that most of the diehards already have one of the prior-branded Halo consoles. Sure, a few will get this bundle, but I don't think it'll do more than a 10% boost, assuming no other factors.

GT5: I hate to break it to people, but yes, the interest in real car racing sims is down some. It's not floored, to the point where I'd say GT5 would only get 5 million, but I don't see the 11 million plus games in the series being comparable. The system has a lower install base, and I do think that some of the fans waiting for GT5 gave up and went to Forza. In addition, it's been so long since Prologue came out, that I'd not be surprised if some people feel that even when GT5 comes out, it'll be "yesterday's news." I see maybe 7-8 million total for GT5, 9 if things go well, but I don't see 10. And with a majority of the GT fans getting the system for Prologue, that again, the system boost will be minimal.

Much to the "hardcore" chagrin, I do think the better system movers will be Kinect and Move. And this is where I give the edge to Kinect. Regardless of personal opinions, regardless of whether it's right or not, Move WILL be compared to the Wiimote. And in that comparison, to the "casual" group, Move will lose. Kinect is a lot harder to go with, however, I do think that with the better marketting behind it, it has a better chance to succeed. That's not to say that the Move will flop, though- the wider variety of games supporting it may give it a wider breadth of appeal. But I think that wider group will be more inclusive of its existing ownership.

So, back to the actual topic. Here's how I'm seeing things break down for the entire holiday season:

Japan: PS3 easily, by an order of magnitude (10x).

America: 360, fairly easily, about a ratio of 7:5.

Others: 360, but only slightly. I see the difference being less than 10%, possibly as close as 5%

Worldwide: Japan's huge PS3 margin will wipe the small 360 margin I see in others. This leaves only the US lead on 360s keeping it ahead of the PS3 worldwide. I'll say about 15% over the PS3 is where sales will be at the end of the holiday season worldwide.

I'm talking specifically about voiced opinions of people waiting for Reach to purchase a 360 for the first time. Not any general hype.

I mostly agree except for the others region. Others mostly favor the PS3 and with GT5 I think PS3 will win Others.

To all of you who think racing games don't sell well anymore. They have never been known to sell very high. Here are the only series that sold over  5 million:

1. Mario Kart: best selling games was Mario Kart Wii
2. Gran Turismo: best selling game was GT3
3. Need 4 Speed: Best selling game was N4S: underground 2

How would those numbers not be a massive boost?