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Scoobes on 23 July 2010
Antabus said:
vlad321 said:
Antabus said:
vlad321 said:

Even better, I've actually had to write a virus program for a class a few semesters back, if I find it I could just send it to you if you want. Obviously you shouldn't run it.

No, that is not better. Anyone can compile a program (or send a random executable) but I would like to see you reverse-engineer  a binary and analyze it in "5 minutes".


See that's the thing though now we're comparing oranges to apples. You really don't need to reverse engineer the entire thing to know it's a virus. Viruses have other signatures which you can follow to identify. They either have a purpose, such as information mining, or are there to for the sake of causing harm to your computer. The ones that are made to cause harm for harm's sake are pretty easy to identify since they make themselves known. The hardest ones to catch are botnet files, but even those are not so hard to identify if you look at your network log. Keyloggers are also pisspoor at hiding within processes, and they also have to have a network connection to send their data unless someone has physical access to your PC (then youa re fucked no matter what you do but whatever).

Since I'm not about to start looking at hex jsut cause some faceless person on the internet dared me to, I am going to assuem that you also know that to detect viruses youreally don't have to detect the actual file, just detect their signature, and it is really not that hard to spend 10-15 minutes a week to scan a few lines of logs. There is a reason why a botnet ctonroller for a botnet installed in the Intel labs costs $3mil.

You do know that a virus can mask itself as a normal windows file or heck, even corrupt a file which normally uses your connection? Well you are awesome with computers if you can see from a log which is normal usage and which is due to the virus.

So you can read  hex dumps too? :D Haha.

Oh and please tell me more about these "virus signatures". That is pretty interesting. What are those "signatures"?

You are hilarious. This really cracks me up.

Errr... is there something wrong with everyday anti-virus software?




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vlad321 on 23 July 2010
Antabus said:

You do know that a virus can mask itself as a normal windows file or heck, even corrupt a file which normally uses your connection? Well you are awesome with computers if you can see from a log which is normal usage and which is due to the virus.

So you can read  hex dumps too? :D Haha.

Oh and please tell me more about these "virus signatures". That is pretty interesting. What are those "signatures"?

You are hilarious. This really cracks me up.


Mayeb you didn't get the part about the network usage. The virus has to connect to send your data unless it is the malocious sort, which again are pretty obvious. The network log on the other hand is pretty simple to scan, because when your PC connects to twitter several times and you never go to twitter, it's a pretty obvious control signature of a botnet.

P.S. For all your hex needs: http://www.hexprobe.com/hexprobe/index.htm



Tag(thx fkusumot) - "Yet again I completely fail to see your point..."

HD vs Wii, PC vs HD: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=93374

Why Regenerating Health is a crap game mechanic: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3986420

gamrReview's broken review scores: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4170835

 

WilliamWatts on 23 July 2010
HappySqurriel said:


I like how my views are "dated" even though they’re still valid. A cheap PC that can play new games will run you around $750 to $1,500 and the cheaper you buy the more often you will need to upgrade. You would need to buy between 50 and 100 games for your PC before the average cost savings per title ($10 to $20 depending on multiple factors) allowed you break even on the sale of the hardware; and about the only time people save money through PC gaming is if they pirate games, which is one of the reasons why so few PC exclusive experiences exist anymore.

If you want to own a physical copy of a game, which I really do if I'm paying full price for a game, you have the same purchasing process as a console game except you’re left with the time consuming process of installing the game.

 

Right now I’m looking into replacing my current PC with something that will play Starcraft 2 and Starwars: The Old Republic at decent levels without needing to upgrade in 12 months when another game comes out; and the price level I’m looking at is between $1,000 and $1,500. Unless there are some remarkable deals announced in the next several weeks, I will probably end up spending more on the graphics card and operating system than a home console; and I will still need a new motherboard, CPU, memory and hard-drive (and I should get a new power-supply and case, along with a new optical drive while I’m at it). I’m not even talking about anything remarkable or exotic, the cost of a Radeon HD5770 and the OEM version of Windows 7 will cost more than a Wii or XBox 360 arcade, and if you don’t get a good deal will cost you more than a PS3 or the good XBox 360.

Well actually all you'd need would be a prebuilt system with a decent quad core and an HD 5670 running a normal 1440/900 or so monitor.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883147197

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161319

$610.

Unfortunately PC prices have gone up over the last 12 months it seems because a PC like this would have cost only $450 then...

Starcraft isn't taxing at all, it runs a DX9 pipeline. KOTOR: Online is an MMO and its probably not taxing either. There were many people running things like the HD 1900GT or whatever they call it and thats 4 generations old. You just have to set aside the desire to run everything on max settings.



mundus6 on 23 July 2010

The only thing i dislike about the PC is the fact that its pretty much exclusively a single player platform (if you don't play online). For this and for games that doesn't come for the PC, which is saddly alot of games, i prefer my PS3 and Xbox 360 more. Sports games, party games and fighters are pretty much non existent on PC, which is why i always play consoles when i have friends and family over. If i am alone, its usually PC unless its a game like Red Dead Redemption, that doesn't come for PC.



KungKras on 23 July 2010
mundus6 said:

The only thing i dislike about the PC is the fact that its pretty much exclusively a single player platform (if you don't play online). For this and for games that doesn't come for the PC, which is saddly alot of games, i prefer my PS3 and Xbox 360 more. Sports games, party games and fighters are pretty much non existent on PC, which is why i always play consoles when i have friends and family over. If i am alone, its usually PC unless its a game like Red Dead Redemption, that doesn't come for PC.


You're absolutely right that local multiplayer is difficult on PC, and that's one of the reasons why I game on both PC and consoles.

But when you do set up a LAN and play games like Warcraft III with friends, that's the best multiplayer experience you will ever have :)



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vlad321 on 23 July 2010
mundus6 said:

The only thing i dislike about the PC is the fact that its pretty much exclusively a single player platform (if you don't play online). For this and for games that doesn't come for the PC, which is saddly alot of games, i prefer my PS3 and Xbox 360 more. Sports games, party games and fighters are pretty much non existent on PC, which is why i always play consoles when i have friends and family over. If i am alone, its usually PC unless its a game like Red Dead Redemption, that doesn't come for PC.


Hold on, let me jump on the local multiplayer in Killzone 2. Oh wait.... As it stands, the Wii is the only console that has consistent and good local multiplayer, the HD consoles do not, and more and more games are starting to ditch local multiplayer.



Tag(thx fkusumot) - "Yet again I completely fail to see your point..."

HD vs Wii, PC vs HD: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=93374

Why Regenerating Health is a crap game mechanic: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3986420

gamrReview's broken review scores: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4170835

 

Scoobes on 23 July 2010
vlad321 said:
mundus6 said:

The only thing i dislike about the PC is the fact that its pretty much exclusively a single player platform (if you don't play online). For this and for games that doesn't come for the PC, which is saddly alot of games, i prefer my PS3 and Xbox 360 more. Sports games, party games and fighters are pretty much non existent on PC, which is why i always play consoles when i have friends and family over. If i am alone, its usually PC unless its a game like Red Dead Redemption, that doesn't come for PC.


Hold on, let me jump on the local multiplayer in Killzone 2. Oh wait.... As it stands, the Wii is the only console that has consistent and good local multiplayer, the HD consoles do not, and more and more games are starting to ditch local multiplayer.

Yeah, this really pissed me off this gen. The major plus point of consoles for me is local MP and at the moment I'm more likely to get local MP with PC than on PS3 as its so easy to setup a LAN network now, especially as me and my partner both have game capable PCs (although hers is a lil' old now).




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tube82 on 23 July 2010

i think a problem with the lack of local multiplayer on the HD consoles is that they just can't handle it. the split screen for L4D2 on the 360 is nice, but it REALLY hits the framerate. other games that are maybe even more demanding hardware-wise just wouldn't run fast enough. and since this gen, it seems, graphics is all the HD twins have, almost no developer is going to sacrifice graphics for local multiplayer.



ZenfoldorVGI on 23 July 2010
shio said:

This is a video that the YouTuber BlackBusterCritc (BBC) did explaining why PC gaming owns console gaming:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdWnNgTLbKw

Notice that he also owns a PS3, Xbox 360 and a Wii. You can see in the background that he's got many games for all 3 consoles.

He backs up his opinion with solid examples.


I watched the video. It's a fanboy spouting off about ignorant opinions using cherrypicked examples and after the fact reasoning. Funny thing is, I didn't need to watch the video to know that.



I don't need your console war.
It feeds the rich while it buries the poor.
You're power hungry, spinnin' stories, and bein' graphics whores.
I don't need your console war.

NO NO, NO NO NO.

selnor on 23 July 2010
tube82 said:
selnor said:
cr00mz said:
selnor said:
shio said:
selnor said:

I have no interest in what any of that offers me.

PC gaming doesnt offer me the most important aspect to me. Ease of use and jump in and play. And as long as Halo is not on PC at launch then I'll never consider it.

I'm glad you like PC gaming. I dont.

Actually, it does offer that... ever heard of Steam?

Ever heard of crashing? Ever heard of mouse and keyboard? Ever heard of sat at my desk?

Having Steam adds little to what I refer to as Ease of use and Jump in and play. How about nagging wife who wants to use internet???


what if your wife wants to watch tv? and how difficult is it to press say l4d2 icon in you quick launch bar?

Um I have 3 TV's? All with comfyness. Bedroom, Living Room, Conservatory.

I have 1 PC. I dont want my wife to feel that she has to be 5 mins on the PC. It's a family multimedia device. Not a game machine stuck to a desk.

IT's fine for single folk. But families have mulitple users. And buying another PC for gaming ( oh the cost ) is not a viable arguement to put to your family.

you should really get a second PC, or as it sounds that you have a desktop/tower: a laptop. you are missing out if you only have a "workstation". browsing the net in the garden/on the balcony with a laptop on your or while watching TV is so much better than sitting in a workroom, probably alone. i couldn't live (well you know what i mean ;) ) with only my main PC nowadays.

I use my 360 as a social network on the TV's. But yeah, a Laptop is on the cards. I really only ust eh PC for copying music, internet and multimedia stuff. I used to game on PC before I was married. But it's phased out. My lifestyle fits console gaming much better.