trestres said:
dharh said:
trestres said:
God is the existence itself.
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Oh I love it when that argument comes up. Slap a whole new definition to a worth used since ancient times.
Still says nothing about whether god is an omnipotent _being_ that creates the laws of the universe. If god is existence itself then its merely a formal word for describing the universe as is and could be argued has really nothing to do with the general concept of god as being discussed in this thread.
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No one can prove anything either ways, because that's beyond our rationale. But I do respect that you have an open mind and believe that there's a possibility of a superior being existing and sharing its existence. Either ways, the fact that this universe exists, but it hasn't existed once, means it's not a necessary being, therefore there was something existing before the universe. I choose to call that God, it's just a name we have for it.
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Oh yes the possibility is there, cannot even be refuted. It's just actually believing in an actual one of those possibilities over another, begs me to refute it. ;)
"Either ways, the fact that this universe exists, but it hasn't existed once, means it's not a necessary being, therefore there was something existing before the universe. I choose to call that God, it's just a name we have for it."
I'm not exactly sure what you mean by this, but we cannot prove that the universe hasn't always existed, that the big bang theory isn't merely an incomplete view of a larger possibility called the cyclical universe theory (universe experiences a series of crunches and bangs forever). We do not know whether even needs to be something existing before the universe.