trestres said:
dharh said:
trestres said:
Not only matter, but the existance of anything. You can reason by yourself that your existance is not purely material, but espiritual as well. Although here I will be facing off some positivists. But we humans, can reason the existence of God and that we are espiritual beings (soul matter). |
There are only two theoretical states. One in which nothing exists and one where existence exists. However, logically the state where nothing exists is impossible. You can't have a point in which nothing exists and then suddenly something exists. This includes God. Someone had to always exist. Existence exists, it has always been so and will always be so. It is the fundamental axiom of all things.
It matters little whether the thing that has always existed is some form of God or a universe or both. You cannot even prove which is which.
I don't even want to touch on the concept that we can make a sound logical argument that we have souls.
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God is the existence itself.
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Oh I love it when that argument comes up. Slap a whole new definition to a worth used since ancient times.
Still says nothing about whether god is an omnipotent _being_ that creates the laws of the universe. If god is existence itself then its merely a formal word for describing the universe as is and could be argued has really nothing to do with the general concept of god as being discussed in this thread.
