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MaxwellGT2000 on 22 July 2010
Boutros said:

I don't understand why someone would say that the Gamecube was a bad console.

Here's a quick list of awesome games:

Luigi's Mansion - Worst Mario themed launch game 

Pikmin - Great for certain audiences, much improved when you have a pointer

Super Smash Bros. Melee - Balance issues, glitches exploited, though overall amazing like the rest of the series, however Brawl addressed the first two issues

Animal Crossing - Many people love this game but it's home is on the portable system, the design is perfect for the portable game mindset

Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem (Haven't played but heard it was cool) - Also heard this was a cool little game but the same problem everyone had... no one played it/bought it

Mario Party 4 - Mario Party on N64 was better

Metroid Prime - Clunky Controls

Star Fox Adventures - Not actually Star Fox

Super Mario Sunshine - Amazing game, but other Mario games have more fluid design

F-Zero GX - Amazing game, also this was Nintendo and Sega so one of those games that don't strictly fit first party

The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker - Amazing game missing a lot of dungeons and difficulty 

Mario Kart: Double Dash‼ - Required even more ports than the GC had to offer to take advantage of the unique aspect of this game, so you had to go out and buy those useless Ethernet adaptors

Mario Party 5- Mario Party on N64 was better 

Wario World - Great game but not many people bought into it

Donkey Konga - Great concept with a pretty terrible track list

The Legend of Zelda: Four Swords Adventures - This one is easy... 4 GC to GBA link cables and 4 GBAs required... nuff said

Mario Party 6- Mario Party on N64 was better

Metroid Prime 2: Echoes - Now there's clunky controls AND an annoying dark world

Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door - Quite possibly the best GC game and best RPG last gen

Pikmin 2 - Same thing as Pikmin 1

Battalion Wars - No where near the appeal of the Advance Wars series and was improved ten fold with the Wii

Donkey Kong Jungle Beat - No one bought the bongos as it is and many aren't gonna pay more than they have to for a game

Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance - So hardcore that it punches your hardcore balls off

Mario Party 7- Mario Party on N64 was better

The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess - Same game was put on the Wii with controls that immersed you, Wii had a lot more backing of excitement

 

And then there's also some cool third-party games:

Skies of Arcadia Legends - Dreamcast game

Tales of Symphonia - People loved it *shrug*

Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles - Same issue as Four Swords

Baten Kaitos: Eternal Wings and the Lost Ocean - Not a game for everyone 

Baten Kaitos Origins - Not a game for everyone 

And you missed the biggest Third party game to come to the console RE4 even if it was ported to PS2


Not exactly sure who called Gamecube a bad console here but there were plenty of haters last gen and they all ignored the GC users with their "kiddy" games gonna try to help you with that list though, my comments are in bold, but the majority of the problems consist of people having no interest or there are better versions else where, either there was a better N64 title or there's an improved Wii port/sequel, F-zero GX is one of those few games that doesn't fit that but it also sold like shit so no one really paid attention to it.

Hopefully this helps address why people say GC was Nintendo's slump



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LordTheNightKnight on 22 July 2010
Alby_da_Wolf said:

@OP: Nintendo should never piss off its die-hard fans, because they are those that always save it when things don't go as well as planned (while "casuals" could betray it at any time), but hadn't it expanded its audience it wouldn't have become the almost invincible giant it currently is. The correct recipe, considering also that it doesn't lack the necessary resources, is to satisfy both old and new user groups.


Where the hell is the evidence that the "casual" audience is like that? I've seen accusations, but never proof.

The mainstream isn't some fad oriented group. Their tastes can change, but that isn't the same thing. You give them someting they want to buy, and they will buy it. That's been the case since about when capitalsim began.



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Alby_da_Wolf on 22 July 2010
LordTheNightKnight said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:

@OP: Nintendo should never piss off its die-hard fans, because they are those that always save it when things don't go as well as planned (while "casuals" could betray it at any time), but hadn't it expanded its audience it wouldn't have become the almost invincible giant it currently is. The correct recipe, considering also that it doesn't lack the necessary resources, is to satisfy both old and new user groups.


Where the hell is the evidence that the "casual" audience is like that? I've seen accusations, but never proof.

The mainstream isn't some fad oriented group. Their tastes can change, but that isn't the same thing. You give them someting they want to buy, and they will buy it. That's been the case since about when capitalsim began.

The evidence is in the past: casuals were with NES and SNES, but they betrayed N64 and GC for PS and PS2. They were with PS and PS2, but they betrayed PS3 for Wii. They used to call Duke Nukem to be saved from the aliens, now they forgot him and they call Master Chief instead (j/k, I'd never call Duke's fans "casuals", please don't shoot me!  ). Nobody can take their support for granted. They WANT support, they DON'T OFFER it! Bunch of ungrateful bastards!!!   



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leatherhat on 22 July 2010
__XBrawlX__ said:
leatherhat said:

To me, its all about the fact that nintendos first party hasn't been as good as they used to be. And I'm not talking about making casual games, I'm talking about games like Mario Kart wii, Twilight Princess and brawl being the worst in their respective series.


Bullshit. Maybe they're worse in YOUR OPINION, but at large, they are considered excellent games and for Mario kart Wii and brawl, there is very little opposition to them being either the best or one of the best of their series...

You're simply being a troll

Well yeah, of course its my opinion. Its my post. So thats great you like those games but I don't. So why would I care about the wii or be happy with nintendos performance when those are supposed to be some of the best games on the system.



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Antabus on 22 July 2010
leatherhat said:
__XBrawlX__ said:
leatherhat said:

To me, its all about the fact that nintendos first party hasn't been as good as they used to be. And I'm not talking about making casual games, I'm talking about games like Mario Kart wii, Twilight Princess and brawl being the worst in their respective series.


Bullshit. Maybe they're worse in YOUR OPINION, but at large, they are considered excellent games and for Mario kart Wii and brawl, there is very little opposition to them being either the best or one of the best of their series...

You're simply being a troll

Well yeah, of course its my opinion. Its my post. So thats great you like those games but I don't. So why would I care about the wii or be happy with nintendos performance when those are supposed to be some of the best games on the system.


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LordTheNightKnight on 22 July 2010
Alby_da_Wolf said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:

@OP: Nintendo should never piss off its die-hard fans, because they are those that always save it when things don't go as well as planned (while "casuals" could betray it at any time), but hadn't it expanded its audience it wouldn't have become the almost invincible giant it currently is. The correct recipe, considering also that it doesn't lack the necessary resources, is to satisfy both old and new user groups.


Where the hell is the evidence that the "casual" audience is like that? I've seen accusations, but never proof.

The mainstream isn't some fad oriented group. Their tastes can change, but that isn't the same thing. You give them someting they want to buy, and they will buy it. That's been the case since about when capitalsim began.

The evidence is in the past: casuals were with NES and SNES, but they betrayed N64 and GC for PS and PS2. They were with PS and PS2, but they betrayed PS3 for Wii. They used to call Duke Nukem to be saved from the aliens, now they forgot him and they call Master Chief instead (j/k, I'd never call Duke's fans "casuals", please don't shoot me!  ). Nobody can take their support for granted. They WANT support, they DON'T OFFER it! Bunch of ungrateful bastards!!!   


That's not betrayal. That was the Playstation offering what they wanted and Nintendo not doing so. Calling it that like saying the costumers betrayed Coca Cola inc. over not liking new Coke.



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Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

BBH on 22 July 2010

100% agree.

Good article.



Alby_da_Wolf on 22 July 2010
LordTheNightKnight said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:

@OP: Nintendo should never piss off its die-hard fans, because they are those that always save it when things don't go as well as planned (while "casuals" could betray it at any time), but hadn't it expanded its audience it wouldn't have become the almost invincible giant it currently is. The correct recipe, considering also that it doesn't lack the necessary resources, is to satisfy both old and new user groups.


Where the hell is the evidence that the "casual" audience is like that? I've seen accusations, but never proof.

The mainstream isn't some fad oriented group. Their tastes can change, but that isn't the same thing. You give them someting they want to buy, and they will buy it. That's been the case since about when capitalsim began.

The evidence is in the past: casuals were with NES and SNES, but they betrayed N64 and GC for PS and PS2. They were with PS and PS2, but they betrayed PS3 for Wii. They used to call Duke Nukem to be saved from the aliens, now they forgot him and they call Master Chief instead (j/k, I'd never call Duke's fans "casuals", please don't shoot me!  ). Nobody can take their support for granted. They WANT support, they DON'T OFFER it! Bunch of ungrateful bastards!!!   


That's not betrayal. That was the Playstation offering what they wanted and Nintendo not doing so. Calling it that like saying the costumers betrayed Coca Cola inc. over not liking new Coke.

Obviously I meant "betrayal" in a figurative way, to make  a little fun of those that actually consider a betrayer a customer that changes his mind. The customer is king, I agree, but the "betrayal" fuss never stops amusing me.    The serious part of my post is not affected by the joke anyway, call the change of taste like you want, "casuals" go with whoever best meets both their tastes and spending power.



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scorptile on 22 July 2010
Alby_da_Wolf said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:

@OP: Nintendo should never piss off its die-hard fans, because they are those that always save it when things don't go as well as planned (while "casuals" could betray it at any time), but hadn't it expanded its audience it wouldn't have become the almost invincible giant it currently is. The correct recipe, considering also that it doesn't lack the necessary resources, is to satisfy both old and new user groups.


Where the hell is the evidence that the "casual" audience is like that? I've seen accusations, but never proof.

The mainstream isn't some fad oriented group. Their tastes can change, but that isn't the same thing. You give them someting they want to buy, and they will buy it. That's been the case since about when capitalsim began.

The evidence is in the past: casuals were with NES and SNES, but they betrayed N64 and GC for PS and PS2. They were with PS and PS2, but they betrayed PS3 for Wii. They used to call Duke Nukem to be saved from the aliens, now they forgot him and they call Master Chief instead (j/k, I'd never call Duke's fans "casuals", please don't shoot me!  ). Nobody can take their support for granted. They WANT support, they DON'T OFFER it! Bunch of ungrateful bastards!!!   

i agree with you here. but mostly i think the reason for the n64 let down wasnt cause of the hardware but at the beginning games were very very few and far between. i mean the first 6 months of the n64's life there was count them 6 games total. granted mario 64 was awesome and i absolutely loved mortal kombat trilogy but you can only play those for so long before you get bored and want more. now the cartridge thing wasnt that big of deal cause now flash media is starting to revive cartridge things. what i dont get is why is the wii getting ignored for good games i mean you dont have to use motion controls. games like mortal kombat and street fighter were really good back in teh day and there was no motion controls then. 

 

what i see as "hatred" towards the ps3 and sony fanboys now is actually from when the ps one was around. sony's tactics was dirty when it came to grabbing ip's from third parties. you know how all the sony lovers were beside themselves and upset about microsoft getting FF13? guess what the difference was when FF7 was canned for the n64 to be made for the ps one? they didnt make it multi console. during the ps2 days sony fanboys got arrogant and made fun of anyone not having a ps2. what the ps3 is feeling now is what the N64 had. at the beginning there really wasnt any support. the initial buy was decent but fell flat shortly after as the opponent sky rockets out of control.

 

i think all these "motion control" things are good and i loved having the more sinple controls. but i think the joystick thing is all fun for some games but for others i think it really isnt all that good. i love what nintendo did with SMBWII and what they are doing with DKCRWII if more developers did that instead of trying to make things difficult these companies can actually get along fine.  i know im on  a rant but oh well. just think when square had its hay day there were one game coming out once every few years not 4-6 in differnt ip's and the quality of those games were amazing now ive heard how horrible FF13 has been. maybe they ought to go back to what made them awesome. very long quests, and great stories. they didnt care what their graphics looked like until FF7 came out.  ive been saying its all about gameplay not how a game looks since the ps2 came out. now with the wii proving my point now i still hear from sony lovers that the wii isnt good cause it doesnt look as good as the ps3. here is my dilema i have a pc i game on. the graphics on my pc looks amazing. it uses the same media as the xbox 360 but yet games you would think would be cool on teh pc that are for the 360 are not made. i enjoy playing SF4 on the pc. now can you imagine if you can make a mortal kombat for the pc the way that SF4 is? it would bring back what they had back in the day.

 



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LordTheNightKnight on 22 July 2010
Alby_da_Wolf said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:

@OP: Nintendo should never piss off its die-hard fans, because they are those that always save it when things don't go as well as planned (while "casuals" could betray it at any time), but hadn't it expanded its audience it wouldn't have become the almost invincible giant it currently is. The correct recipe, considering also that it doesn't lack the necessary resources, is to satisfy both old and new user groups.


Where the hell is the evidence that the "casual" audience is like that? I've seen accusations, but never proof.

The mainstream isn't some fad oriented group. Their tastes can change, but that isn't the same thing. You give them someting they want to buy, and they will buy it. That's been the case since about when capitalsim began.

The evidence is in the past: casuals were with NES and SNES, but they betrayed N64 and GC for PS and PS2. They were with PS and PS2, but they betrayed PS3 for Wii. They used to call Duke Nukem to be saved from the aliens, now they forgot him and they call Master Chief instead (j/k, I'd never call Duke's fans "casuals", please don't shoot me!  ). Nobody can take their support for granted. They WANT support, they DON'T OFFER it! Bunch of ungrateful bastards!!!   


That's not betrayal. That was the Playstation offering what they wanted and Nintendo not doing so. Calling it that like saying the costumers betrayed Coca Cola inc. over not liking new Coke.

Obviously I meant "betrayal" in a figurative way, to make  a little fun of those that actually consider a betrayer a customer that changes his mind. The customer is king, I agree, but the "betrayal" fuss never stops amusing me.    The serious part of my post is not affected by the joke anyway, call the change of taste like you want, "casuals" go with whoever best meets both their tastes and spending power.


Okay, joking is fine.

As for your last sentence, that proves the point. Nintendo stopped offering what matches their tastes and spending power. Then Sony stopped doing it and Nintendo started up again.

This is also why I'm wary of Final Fantasy XIII, despite owning most of the other games (and thinking Vanille is really hot). It looks like something that doesn't match what I like about the other FF games (or tolerated with X).



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs