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I dont see how the architecture of the CELL is new when it is over 4 years old (or somethin like that...).



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thelifatree said:
tingyu said:

Umm, why argue when Square-Enix only said that they need to 'optimize' the game before porting it from a platform to another platform? They cant simply copy and paste the data, is that right? Even if they are going to port it to Xbox, they still need to optimize it cause PC and consoles are different beasts. Give me one PC setup that can run Killzone 3 3D, Wipeout 3D or Uncharted 2, yeah, guess so

:) why does crysis:warhead and metro 2033 look better than anything released on ps3 or xbox 360 yet?


cause 360 has been nearly maxed

 

and devs still aren't used to developing on PS3 AS THEY ARE ON THEIR old PC architecture



Solid_Snake4RD said:
thelifatree said:
tingyu said:

Umm, why argue when Square-Enix only said that they need to 'optimize' the game before porting it from a platform to another platform? They cant simply copy and paste the data, is that right? Even if they are going to port it to Xbox, they still need to optimize it cause PC and consoles are different beasts. Give me one PC setup that can run Killzone 3 3D, Wipeout 3D or Uncharted 2, yeah, guess so

:) why does crysis:warhead and metro 2033 look better than anything released on ps3 or xbox 360 yet?


cause 360 has been nearly maxed

 

and devs still aren't used to developing on PS3 AS THEY ARE ON THEIR old PC architecture

Well the cell has it's advantages, but it cannot wipe away all its disadvantages. The only thing the PS3 has over PC's is possibly the cell. Which I am a fan of. But the PS3, has flaws in the design as you're finding out here. The ps3 uses an outdated modified 7800gtx chip, right after release a much much faster 8800 gtx was released for PC's with much faster then those released now. The ram in the ps3 is just low, with 512mb. Compared to 2-4gb's in computers sold now adays. with more with enthusiast.

Unless you're saying, that Crytek, is a much much much better developer programming wise when it comes to graphics than say, Kojima Productions or Naughty dog.

You can make up some shortcomings because PC's are like a fruitcake and they're all different so they are not optimized. And the cell has benefits. But if you need more ram, you just need more ram.



Linkasf said:

I dont see how the architecture of the CELL is new when it is over 4 years old (or somethin like that...).


yeah compare it to the architecture of the PC's,now how old is that???????????????

 

and you don't understand,4years is not the issue

the problem is that even 4 years in,nobody really develops on PS3 so they never got used to it.

 

mostly only develop on 360 and then port it

 

now look at exclusive developers who constantly work on PS3 so they have gotten used to it and their games are the best



thelifatree said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
thelifatree said:
tingyu said:

Umm, why argue when Square-Enix only said that they need to 'optimize' the game before porting it from a platform to another platform? They cant simply copy and paste the data, is that right? Even if they are going to port it to Xbox, they still need to optimize it cause PC and consoles are different beasts. Give me one PC setup that can run Killzone 3 3D, Wipeout 3D or Uncharted 2, yeah, guess so

:) why does crysis:warhead and metro 2033 look better than anything released on ps3 or xbox 360 yet?


cause 360 has been nearly maxed

 

and devs still aren't used to developing on PS3 AS THEY ARE ON THEIR old PC architecture

Well the cell has it's advantages, but it cannot wipe away all its disadvantages. The only thing the PS3 has over PC's is possibly the cell. Which I am a fan of. But the PS3, has flaws in the design as you're finding out here. The ps3 uses an outdated modified 7800gtx chip, right after release a much much faster 8800 gtx was released for PC's with much faster then those released now.

but RSX does not take full load,it was never designed to so it being older doesn't make a valid argument point

The ram in the ps3 is just low, with 512mb. Compared to 2-4gb's in computers sold now adays. with more with enthusiast.

yes that is the case but the ram was more than enough for PS3 and is still excelling at games

Unless you're saying, that Crytek, is a much much much better developer programming wise when it comes to graphics than say, Kojima Productions or Naughty dog.

Crytek is nothing till the time they can make a good console optimized game that is know to be the best at technical things their games on PC brag about

You can make up some shortcomings because PC's are like a fruitcake and they're all different so they are not optimized. And the cell has benefits. But if you need more ram, you just need more ram.

agree



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dahuman said:
selnor said:

As many have pointed out before. The PS3's memory architecture is the issue. it has only 256mb available to the CPU and 256mb available to GPU. 

Niether can borrow from each other. Whereas a PC has alot more available. And the Cell is a long way behind current CPU's.


dood..... the system can use the XDR for graphics, just not the GDDR3 for the system, you've obviously read or remembered wrong.

There hasn't been a thread with essentially negative PS3 news in a while. He was just lurking in the shadows and pounced at the soonest opportunity to make the system not seem as good as it is lol



selnor said:

As many have pointed out before. The PS3's memory architecture is the issue. it has only 256mb available to the CPU and 256mb available to GPU. 

Niether can borrow from each other. Whereas a PC has alot more available. And the Cell is a long way behind current CPU's.


yes they can...

the problem is that theres only 512mbs of ram.



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kowenicki said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
kowenicki said:

it isnt anything to do with the power oif the Cell... just the RAM bottleneck that slows it down.


exactly

CELL has nothing to do with it

it still poor design though... why did they skimp on the RAM?  very curious decision.

it have the same amount of ram of the 360 512mb where u look at it. it actually have a more expensive kind of ram XDR 3.2ghz



AkibaFan said:

i dnt understand

why is RAM more important thn processing power? Wht do they mean by memory? Cell has 7 SPU's so ther shud be enough emmory


Only true experts on Japanese culture would understand such things.



Solid_Snake4RD said:
selnor said:

As many have pointed out before. The PS3's memory architecture is the issue. it has only 256mb available to the CPU and 256mb available to GPU. 

but the GPU doesn't take all the load,it shares it with the CPU so GPU memory can be better allocated and CPU memory can used for other things

Niether can borrow from each other. Whereas a PC has alot more available. And the Cell is a long way behind current CPU's.

complete bullshit

we can't compare CELL to other CPU.different architecture




How do you know it's bullshit, how powerful is the cell exactly, compared to a common quad core i7 for instance? Give me a comparison of their power.

I would imagine that Cell is less powerful overall and less versatile. Am I wrong? Or did you call bullshit without checking.

As for the OP, they will probably gimp XIV so it will run the same on PS3 and PC, but who cares. I wouldn't buy it until Blizzard and Bioware stop making MMOs, at the very least.



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