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Khuutra said:
Weegee said:

I know that the CON is not determined by the gender but often in Fire Emblem the guy have more CON than girl. Check this faq (near the end) and check the CON comparaison. http://www.gamefaqs.com/gba/468480-fire-emblem/faqs/29563

General And Paladin guy have ALWAYS more CON that their girl conterpart. ALMOST all guy have more CON. And if the developper have program a game in a way that the girl have less chance to do a double attack (which is deadly in fire emblem) than is just pure sexist.

Rubbish.

http://www.serenesforest.net/fe7/char_base.htm Base stats, including CON, for every character.

http://www.serenesforest.net/fe7/sword.htm Sword weights

http://www.serenesforest.net/fe7/lance.htm Lance weights

http://www.serenesforest.net/fe7/axe.html Axe weights

http://www.serenesforest.net/fe7/bow.html Bow weights

I would get into tomes, but most of them don't weigh enough to worry about.

http://www.serenesforest.net/fe7/average/ Average stats for every character

There's a reason Nino is considered the best mage in the game, and it's because she will double-hit a lot harder where no other mage will. Same with the pegasus knights if you train them.

You're leaving out some very important factors in this discussion:

1. Very few weapons that are commonly used are too heavy to be used by skilled classes. Male and female myrmidons are just as effective at wielding swords, and Lyndis even moreso.

2. Most of the characters who fail to double-hit are restrained by their base speed, as a consequence of 1, with characters such as Oswin and Wallace being the primary victims.

3. Most characters will double-hit regardless because enemies are fairly slow.

4. You're forgetting that CON is also a measure of personal weight and momentum, which affects how one can plan strategies around rescues and retreats. A character who can fly is necessarily going to have lower CON than a character on an armored terrestrial horse.

When several female users are the best in their classes (particularly Rebecca, especially when supporting with Dart) and others have battlefield control down to a science (Florina might as well be a god), don't try to tell me that female characters are inherently worse. It's hogwash. They're easily on par with their male counterparts.

Being different does not equate to being inferior

When you say that most character double hit, maybe in easy mode but not in hard mode (unless you do the arena trick) And when I say it's sexist  I say this because the programmer have program the game in a way that the male can take more avantage of the double-hit.

If you have more CON, you have more chance to do a double-hit right ?

So the male have more chance to do a double-hit right ? And that precise aspect of the game (which is quite important) is discrimiation towards the girl (because they have less chance to double hit). And discrimination toward girl is called sexism.

And always give more CON to male character is also sexism because it's simply not equal.



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Weegee said:

When you say that most character double hit, maybe in easy mode but not in hard mode (unless you do the arena trick) And when I say it's sexist  I say this because the programmer have program the game in a way that the male can take more avantage of the double-hit.

If you have more CON, you have more chance to do a double-hit right ?

So the male have more chance to do a double-hit right ? And that precise aspect of the game (which is quite important) is discrimiation towards the girl (because they have less chance to double hit). And discrimination toward girl is called sexism.

And always give more CON to male character is also sexism because it's simply not equal.

No, more CON does not translate to more chances for a double-hit. CON is only a factor when you use a very heavy weapon (and many high-level players only use iron Wapons, which can be wielde without penalty by anyone), but base speed is always a factor. Speed will generally be much more important for doubling than CON, and this is proven when the characters who have the most trouble doubling are the slowest ones, not the lightest ones.

Males do not have more chance to double-hit, especially within the same class - many women are faster, which means their absolute chance to double-hit is higher. You have it backwards.

Giving men more CON is not sexism. Putting down gender differences is not sexism. Sexism is discrimination, and differences in design do not automatically imply discrimination, unless you want tto say that the games are sexist against men because the only good flying units are all women.



Khuutra said:
I_hate_Itagaki said:

Okay, first I'll stop talking about sexism because we don't see it in the same way. And don't tell me that I'm scared to talk or anything, I just don't understand why we are talking about her children and all. I was talking about the way she was wrong and than the young goddess is innoncent at a point she needs a mortal (Ike) and that Mica sucks. You just always says that I don't understand what sexism is. I know what it is, and I don't care if you don't beleive me. You are just more tolerant than me.

About Ike and Elincia, admit it, Ike is superior. I don't care if his crew are stronger or anything, he IS the most overpower unit in the game.

Mages sucks, and no, Mica is not usefull. Her skill is laughable.

Mmm, are you sure, if you still have the game, check in the instruction booklet.

Now, let's return to the topic http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCMC4J8wqOw&feature=related

Ashunera was not some young, new, fresh goddess like a child. Ashunera was the creator goddess who created all life. All thinking creatures are her children, and she is responsible for them - that's what makes Ashera think she has dominion over them. It's an important part of the story. Ashunera is many, many things - but not innocent. She was never innocent.

And no, Ike is not "the most overpower unit in the game". Within his own niche he's outclassed severely by royal laguz - Caineighis alone is worth two Ikes in any battle, and don't get me started on Tibarn. Elincia, on the other hand, is never without utility because she is a capable front-line fighter and the best healer in the game.

If you think Micaiah isn't useful then you are bad at the game. It's that simple.

I don't have to check the instruction booklet. This was a base conversation about their past.

Meh, opinions again. Are you listening? I'm talking about Yune! She's a freaking goddess! Ike is a human and he's making her a morale. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I04DhQO0kjc

lol, you can't be bad at FE.



I like female protagonists, my favorite being Mama from the Cooking Mama series. She knows her place, and does her task really well...

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Ok, bad joke :) in fact in most games where I can choose characters, I pick the females. Like Terra and Celes from FFVI, Momohime from Muramasa, Sheik in SSB Melee and Snake on SSB Brawl.



I_hate_Itagaki said:
Khuutra said:

Ashunera was not some young, new, fresh goddess like a child. Ashunera was the creator goddess who created all life. All thinking creatures are her children, and she is responsible for them - that's what makes Ashera think she has dominion over them. It's an important part of the story. Ashunera is many, many things - but not innocent. She was never innocent.

And no, Ike is not "the most overpower unit in the game". Within his own niche he's outclassed severely by royal laguz - Caineighis alone is worth two Ikes in any battle, and don't get me started on Tibarn. Elincia, on the other hand, is never without utility because she is a capable front-line fighter and the best healer in the game.

If you think Micaiah isn't useful then you are bad at the game. It's that simple.

I don't have to check the instruction booklet. This was a base conversation about their past.

lol, you can't be bad at FE.

In not replying to the rest of my points, I am going to assume that you admit to being wrong on them. Feel free to correct me, but it will take an argument to do so - not just "I didn't reply because you're wrong". That will not fly.

Also, you're wrong here. It's pretty easy to be bad at Fire Emblem.



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Khuutra said:
I_hate_Itagaki said:
Khuutra said:

Ashunera was not some young, new, fresh goddess like a child. Ashunera was the creator goddess who created all life. All thinking creatures are her children, and she is responsible for them - that's what makes Ashera think she has dominion over them. It's an important part of the story. Ashunera is many, many things - but not innocent. She was never innocent.

And no, Ike is not "the most overpower unit in the game". Within his own niche he's outclassed severely by royal laguz - Caineighis alone is worth two Ikes in any battle, and don't get me started on Tibarn. Elincia, on the other hand, is never without utility because she is a capable front-line fighter and the best healer in the game.

If you think Micaiah isn't useful then you are bad at the game. It's that simple.

I don't have to check the instruction booklet. This was a base conversation about their past.

lol, you can't be bad at FE.

In not replying to the rest of my points, I am going to assume that you admit to being wrong on them. Feel free to correct me, but it will take an argument to do so - not just "I didn't reply because you're wrong". That will not fly.

Also, you're wrong here. It's pretty easy to be bad at Fire Emblem.

I edited just before you post. I'm not wrong, think what you want.

You mean Fire Emblem is pretty easy and is bad? Seriously it is easy.



I_hate_Itagaki said:
Khuutra said:
I_hate_Itagaki said:

lol, you can't be bad at FE.

In not replying to the rest of my points, I am going to assume that you admit to being wrong on them. Feel free to correct me, but it will take an argument to do so - not just "I didn't reply because you're wrong". That will not fly.

Also, you're wrong here. It's pretty easy to be bad at Fire Emblem.

I edited just before you post. I'm not wrong, think what you want.

You mean Fire Emblem is pretty easy and is bad? Seriously it is easy.

No, you are objectively wrong on several points. Ashunera was not innocent. Ike is not the most overpowered unit in the game. His utility is not greater than Elincia's. All female characters have stats that place them on equal foting with their male counterparts. If you can't find uses for Micaiah then you are bad at Fire Emblem.

Whether or not the game is easy is one thing, but if you have such a poor understanding of the game's underlying mechanics that you think CON is more important than SPD for double-hitting in FE7 and you think Micaiah has no utility in early missions in FE10, then yes, you are bad at Fire Emblem and don't really have any room to speak on its finer tactical points.



Khuutra said:
I_hate_Itagaki said:
Khuutra said:
I_hate_Itagaki said:

lol, you can't be bad at FE.

In not replying to the rest of my points, I am going to assume that you admit to being wrong on them. Feel free to correct me, but it will take an argument to do so - not just "I didn't reply because you're wrong". That will not fly.

Also, you're wrong here. It's pretty easy to be bad at Fire Emblem.

I edited just before you post. I'm not wrong, think what you want.

You mean Fire Emblem is pretty easy and is bad? Seriously it is easy.

No, you are objectively wrong on several points. Ashunera was not innocent. Ike is not the most overpowered unit in the game. His utility is not greater than Elincia's. All female characters have stats that place them on equal foting with their male counterparts. If you can't find uses for Micaiah then you are bad at Fire Emblem.

Whether or not the game is easy is one thing, but if you have such a poor understanding of the game's underlying mechanics that you think CON is more important than SPD for double-hitting in FE7 and you think Micaiah has no utility in early missions in FE10, then yes, you are bad at Fire Emblem and don't really have any room to speak on its finer tactical points.

I'm talking about YUNE (If I'm bad at Fire Emblem, you sure are bad at reading)!!!! Mica is just BAD, maybe she's not bad at the beggining, for like 2-3 missions, but she sucks for the rest of the game!

lol @ finer tactical points, you are really too much into it

If it can makes you happy, yes I'm bad at a automatic win game.



Helios said:
I_hate_Itagaki said:

Mmm, I agree 50%.

I avoid those games, but I don't tell people to do so. You want to know why I avoid those games? Check that out, you'll see: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COt0yvziSuc&feature=related

How can a strong, silent, non-sexualized woman can be a stereotype? It's as rare as a 6 legged pig. And about the males atributes, I totally disagree, but I don't want to argue about that.


"Those" games? Do you mean the God of War ilk?

As for stereotyped gender roles, I'd say they're more common than you think (though characters need not be popular to be stereotyped). Rippley (Alien) is an exellent example of a female protagonist, but she helped pave the way for a kind shallow female warrior (that is just as trite and uninspiring as the male counterpart) that we still see today. If there is nothing 'female' about a character, what's the point of having her be female in the first place?

"Rippley (Alien) is an exellent example of a female protagonist, but she helped pave the way for a kind shallow female warrior (that is just as trite and uninspiring as the male counterpart) that we still see today. If there is nothing 'female' about a character, what's the point of having her be female in the first place?"

 

If you want a guy in place of Ripley(Alien) explain me how do you will make him the "Mother of ALL alien"?

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I_hate_Itagaki said:
Khuutra said:

No, you are objectively wrong on several points. Ashunera was not innocent. Ike is not the most overpowered unit in the game. His utility is not greater than Elincia's. All female characters have stats that place them on equal foting with their male counterparts. If you can't find uses for Micaiah then you are bad at Fire Emblem.

Whether or not the game is easy is one thing, but if you have such a poor understanding of the game's underlying mechanics that you think CON is more important than SPD for double-hitting in FE7 and you think Micaiah has no utility in early missions in FE10, then yes, you are bad at Fire Emblem and don't really have any room to speak on its finer tactical points.

I'm talking about YUNE (If I'm bad at Fire Emblem, you sure are bad at reading)!!!! Mica is just BAD, maybe she's not bad at the beggining, for like 2-3 missions, but she sucks for the rest of the game!

lol @ finer tactical points, you are really too much into it

If it can makes you happy, yes I'm bad at a automatic win game.

Yune wasn't innocent, either. She's the half of Ashunera that destroyed the world. THough it should be mentioned that Ashunera does return in the end, based on the ending you've earned.

And no, she still dosn't suck, you just have to b particular in how you use her. Her utility sees a nice bump when she becomes a Light Sage and can start healing in earnest - and a healer is something the Dawn Brigade needs pretty badly, given that their default healer sucks.

I suppose I'm glad that you've acquiesced the point.