The biased right wing media for the last decade have not been telling us the whole complete truth about those ongoing wars in Afghanistan and Iran. Propaganda justifying the wars as being just is being spewed in the media every day. The Cold War between 1945 to 1990: US Capitalism versus Soviet Russian Communism was played out in the media day in and day out. Good versus Bad. Us versus them. That ended with the falling of the Berlin Wall in 1989 and Russian President Boris Yeltsin. 

Now the Cold War has been replaced with the War on Terrorism. The Osama Bin Laden symbol of global terrorism is a myth that the US used to justify its war efforts along with the 911 terrorist attack that killed 3000 people. The US falsely claimed that Iraq had Weapons of Mass destruction to justify its illegal invasion

There are groups of extreme Muslims scattered through out the world who are against the US oppressive Imperialist control over the world. The US would have to  declare war on Pakistan and a quite a lot of other countries if it wants to win its nonsensical "War on terrorism"

I am certain that Osama Bin Laden is dead. $100m bounty on finding a man dead or alive. Unmarked grave in the desert. Reports state that he died from kidney failure and was buried in an unmarked desert grave in late December 2001. He looked gravely ill in one of those late 2001 videos.

The wars in Afghanistan and Iraq are not stopping world terrorism they have only intensified the world wide extreme Muslim hatred towards the oppressive US Imperialists. A war on Iran is imminent. 

http://www.socialistalternative.org/literature/911/

^Background behind the 9/11 incident from a socialist perspective written a week after the 9/11 incident. The war on terrorism is actually a conflict between: US Capitalism versus Muslim Socialism. Most wars are Capitalism versus Socialism. Two conflicting political/economic ideologies coming face to face.

The war on terrorism could also be seen as religious war: Judeo/Christian aka Zionists versus Islam/Muslim. This religious war has raged on for 1500 years. Religion, economics and politics are a deadly combination.

War on Terrorism has played a huge role in the Global financial meltdown. Trillions of dollars have been wasted to fund a war that will go on forever and ever and ever. No invading nation has ever conquered Afghanistan. 80% of the world are against these wars.

Stop the Madness. Stop the War!

This just the opinion/view of "numonex" anonymous forum poster. I know there will be differing  views/opinions on this topic. Please feel free to express your views/opinions on this subject matter.

USA has spent nearly over a trillion dollars on these wars, and the estimated value of resources in Afghanistan is a trillion dollars also. With no sign of the war ending, they may not even break even.

But I agree, these wars are just pointless. This is just the latest instalment of pointless wars. And by definition, we will never win because we are fighting a guerilla army, there is no way you can defeat them. Fighting them is like nailing jelly to a wall. This is kind of the same reason the USA lost in Vietnam.

War on Terrorism, War on drugs has nothing to do with being capitalist or socialist. It's made up by the American (shadow)government. It doesn't define enemies, it doesn't set any goals, it's just there to put fear in people and them having excuses to take away your freedom and privacy. It's all about people who are already powerful wanting more control and power.

Hmmm....I have mixed views on the war. I would however say that it is our (wests) responsibility to counter any group that aims to implant fear into the general public. Terrorist attacks have been few and far between since we went into Iraq(illegal) and Afganistan (Legal).

Sure we are losing troops which is always upsetting, but in doing so the islamic extreamists are forced back and resulting in us fighting a war at their non literal home (Pakistan...) instead of the street of Britain. Some people would argue that if we didn't have a war there maybe there wouldn't be any terrorism. This is simply not true. Many of these people gfighting are brain washed into thinking that fighting the west is a holy crusade and will not finish untill they have tried to casuse significent problems.

Ok...so in 9/11 and 7/7 roughly 4,000 inocent people got instantly killed. That number hasn't even being exceeded over 9 years fighting two wars. For casualties per year it has being a non bloody (can't think of a better term) war. I don't have a clue how many terrorists have died but I can assure you that it is a lot closer to 100,000 estimated.

It's nothing to do with socialism or capitalism, those are economic policies and this is foreign policy.

What about all of the 3 million innocent civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan who have been killed over the last 9 years directly or indirectly from the US war efforts? Do their lives even count or matter in the human tragedy of war?America has invaded both of these countries and has tried to remove the regimes in power and put in governments controlled by the US Armed Forces.

As a Socialist I am totally against these two illegal wars which were started by the US aggressors on foreign soil. The US is an Imperial empire who want to control every single country in the world. Both of the wars are blood for Middle Eastern oil.

Iraq witnessed the removal of sovereign leader Saddam Hussein and replaced by a US controlled provisional government. US invaded Iraq over false pretenses. Saddam Hussein was arrested and assassinated by a show trial court. Saddam Hussein was innocent of all charges. 

US claimed to have won both  wars with early declaration of victory  but the conflicts in both Iraq and Afghanistan continue. The always US tries to push democracy onto every country it invades and takes over. 

The Iraq Body Count says that 100,000 civilians have been killed in the Iraq war: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War#Iraq_Body_Count

Various estimates here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualties_of_the_War_in_Afghanistan_(2001–present)#Estimates ; Lowest is around 10,000.

I would say that the latter is very much justified. It may be more than double the casualties of 9/11 7/7, but it's over a period of nine years, and it's war rather than the slaughter of innocents. Plus, without it, there would likely have been far more terrorist attacks.

Of course, the Iraq War was about nuclear weaponry/oil, so you can't really make the comparison.

Three million civilians? That is just plain ridiculous. I haven't seen any figures higher than 65,000 for Afghanistan and 650,000 for Iraq (31% from Allied forces, and based on a poll of all things).

The USA may be imperialist, but this whole thing about wanting world domination is ridiculous. All the United States wants is destruction of all potential dangers to its own safety, and to a lesser extent crude oil. The second will become less and less relevant with the advent of nuclear power, but honestly, you seem to be forgetting that if America wishes, it could wipe humanity off half of the Earth. It has far and away the best funded military, far and away the most nuclear missiles, far and away the most wealth...

Saddam Hussein was innocent of nothing. He was a tyrannical dictator under whom the Iraqi people suffered for several years. Unfortunately, "shit leader" isn't an international offence, so they had to try him for the murder of hundreds of his own citizens, 20 years ago. Still more than worthy of a hanging.

And you speak of "pushing democracy" as if it's a bad thing. Democracy is the best system of government in the world. Democracy has triumphed over tyranny time and time again. It is one of the main human rights. Not that the US government gives a crap about any of these things. North Korea remains uninvaded. Zimbabwe was never invaded. And so on, and so forth. As I've said, America puts its own safety above everything else, which it has every right to do. If Saddam Hussein had been in possession of nuclear missiles, and he had used them against other countries, do you think everyone would have respected America's decision to stay out? It was a problem in reconnaissance, coupled with a little bit of greed.

Afghanistan and Iraq are hardly examples of Socialist countries, they are a lot farther removed from that concept that the US itself. Other than that, I agree that the wars are bullshit, one started under the pretence that a large terrorist network had their main base and leaders there (despite the fact that the rest of the world remains fairly certain that most of it/them now resides in Pakistan) and the other on sheer deception and thinly veiled lies.

War is business nowadays, and business has winners and losers.

The Iraq War, in my opinion, was/is wholly justified.

 - Iraq had consistently failed to comply with Security Council resolutions.
 - They might have retained/developed the ability to  manufacture, use, and export chemical and biological weapons.
 - Saddam Hussein was a terrible dictator who committed many crimes against humanity.
 - The removal of an arch-anti-American regime could kick start the Middle-East peace process.
 - The creation of a democratic Iraq could see neighbouring countries also begin democratic reform (this was the belief of the Bush Administration).
 - Having a pro-Western, democratic, Muslim state could provide legitimate, diplomatic counter balance to Israel in the region.
 - Having Iraq as an ally would mean that the USA would be allowed to hold troops there, reducing representation in Saudi Arabia (which was one of the demands of the 9/11 terrorists).
 - The fruits of democracy and capitalism would be of massive benefit to Iraqi citizens.

And, recent news from Iraq is starting to show the last point, at least, is already coming into fruition: http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/07/02/iraq.economy.construction/index.html?fbid=3_AGitRcfbc

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As for the whole capitalism versus socialism thing, I don't really understand the point. Many Middle-Eastern countries are extremely hierarchical states, with massive gaps between the wealthiest and poorest - the Middle-East is far from a poster boy for socialism. The Taliban fought the Soviets just as hard as they're fighting the Americans.