War on Terrorism is just another Capitalism versus Socialism war.

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numonex said:

FootballFan said:

Hmmm....I have mixed views on the war. I would however say that it is our (wests) responsibility to counter any group that aims to implant fear into the general public. Terrorist attacks have been few and far between since we went into Iraq(illegal) and Afganistan (Legal).

Sure we are losing troops which is always upsetting, but in doing so the islamic extreamists are forced back and resulting in us fighting a war at their non literal home (Pakistan...) instead of the street of Britain. Some people would argue that if we didn't have a war there maybe there wouldn't be any terrorism. This is simply not true. Many of these people gfighting are brain washed into thinking that fighting the west is a holy crusade and will not finish untill they have tried to casuse significent problems.

Ok...so in 9/11 and 7/7 roughly 4,000 inocent people got instantly killed. That number hasn't even being exceeded over 9 years fighting two wars. For casualties per year it has being a non bloody (can't think of a better term) war. I don't have a clue how many terrorists have died but I can assure you that it is a lot closer to 100,000 estimated.

What about all of the 3 million innocent civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan who have been killed over the last 9 years directly or indirectly from the US war efforts? Do their lives even count or matter in the human tragedy of war?America has invaded both of these countries and has tried to remove the regimes in power and put in governments controlled by the US Armed Forces.

As a Socialist I am totally against these two illegal wars which were started by the US aggressors on foreign soil. The US is an Imperial empire who want to control every single country in the world. Both of the wars are blood for Middle Eastern oil.

Iraq witnessed the removal of sovereign leader Saddam Hussein and replaced by a US controlled provisional government. US invaded Iraq over false pretenses. Saddam Hussein was arrested and assassinated by a show trial court. Saddam Hussein was innocent of all charges. 

US claimed to have won both  wars with early declaration of victory  but the conflicts in both Iraq and Afghanistan continue. The always US tries to push democracy onto every country it invades and takes over. 

Three million civilians? That is just plain ridiculous. I haven't seen any figures higher than 65,000 for Afghanistan and 650,000 for Iraq (31% from Allied forces, and based on a poll of all things).

The USA may be imperialist, but this whole thing about wanting world domination is ridiculous. All the United States wants is destruction of all potential dangers to its own safety, and to a lesser extent crude oil. The second will become less and less relevant with the advent of nuclear power, but honestly, you seem to be forgetting that if America wishes, it could wipe humanity off half of the Earth. It has far and away the best funded military, far and away the most nuclear missiles, far and away the most wealth...

Saddam Hussein was innocent of nothing. He was a tyrannical dictator under whom the Iraqi people suffered for several years. Unfortunately, "shit leader" isn't an international offence, so they had to try him for the murder of hundreds of his own citizens, 20 years ago. Still more than worthy of a hanging.

And you speak of "pushing democracy" as if it's a bad thing. Democracy is the best system of government in the world. Democracy has triumphed over tyranny time and time again. It is one of the main human rights. Not that the US government gives a crap about any of these things. North Korea remains uninvaded. Zimbabwe was never invaded. And so on, and so forth. As I've said, America puts its own safety above everything else, which it has every right to do. If Saddam Hussein had been in possession of nuclear missiles, and he had used them against other countries, do you think everyone would have respected America's decision to stay out? It was a problem in reconnaissance, coupled with a little bit of greed.