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Solid_Snake4RD said:
jarrod said:
jrsax7 said:

As to the people that think that Ninty is going all out, I can't agree.  Don't get me wrong, there will be a significant improvement and definitely a couple of surprises.  But judging by the 3DS, I don't see them going all out.  The 3DS seems to be clearly superior to the DS, but it does not look like a graphics leap from psp. I expect cool features and interesting new concepts.

I think the next Wii (or whatever they call it) will be HD and at LEAST on par with PS3 AND 360. 3D.... not sure, let's see how tv sales go.


3DS is a decent step up from PSP... it's already doing geometry on par with PSP's best (MGS, KH, etc), twice over for 3D actually, and layering effects on top of it all that even PS2 or Gamecube aren't capable of.  Self shadowing, normal mapping, bump mapping, specular highlights... 3DS is pumping out the sort of effects we generally see on advanced shader architectures like those found in 360 and PS3.  Effects wise, 3DS certainly is a generational leap over PSP.

I'd expect Wii 2 to be a similar step up over 360/PS3 honestly.  Comparable in some respects, a huge advancement in others, but clearly ahead overall.

3DS is not pumping out effects that we find not 360 and PS3 but only effects that we didn't see on PS2,GC.Better but not anywhere near PS3,360.

3DS is not generational leap.only enhanced last generation graphics with 3D

Eh, it's doing hardwired shader effects that weren't in any widespread use last gen, on any hardware.  Even Xbox had limited use of stuff like normal or bump maps, and no real self-shadowing or anoything along those lines.  In terms of effects, it is indeed doing things are more often seen on 360 and PS3 than last gen systems, and it's doing this pre-release, in demos that were put together in about 3 months.

And 3DS is pretty easily a generational leap from DS, which is all that really matters.  The fact that it handily outperforms PSP from all vantage points (geometry, textures, lighting, effects) is beside that somewhat.  I expect Wii 2 to be pretty similar, a generational step up from Wii and outperforms 360/PS3 decently.



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TheLivingShadow said:

Be careful when calling out on other people to "predict more intelligently" when you yourself are incapable (or seem, at the very least) of understanding the point of my previous message. Honestly, it makes you look rather narrow-minded.

It is not the point that Nintendo's next console will use a projector.

It is not the point what sort of CD formats it will use.

It is not the point its individual features will be innovative.

I could tell you what the MAIN POINT of my message is but I'll let you think a little more and try to nail it if you want to continue arguing. After all, there can't be a real arguement if you misunderstand me.

Oh and by the way, the Wii uses DVDs...pathetic try.

 

how am i naarow minded???

also its not CD formats but DISC formats

Wii uses Wii opticle disc as they don't want to pay licensing fee to DVD forum.it is identical though.

 

also your main point was nothing,you were just wishing things.ohh thats could happens or that could happen like bad student doesn't understand anything even trying so hard to



jarrod said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
jarrod said:
jrsax7 said:

As to the people that think that Ninty is going all out, I can't agree.  Don't get me wrong, there will be a significant improvement and definitely a couple of surprises.  But judging by the 3DS, I don't see them going all out.  The 3DS seems to be clearly superior to the DS, but it does not look like a graphics leap from psp. I expect cool features and interesting new concepts.

I think the next Wii (or whatever they call it) will be HD and at LEAST on par with PS3 AND 360. 3D.... not sure, let's see how tv sales go.


3DS is a decent step up from PSP... it's already doing geometry on par with PSP's best (MGS, KH, etc), twice over for 3D actually, and layering effects on top of it all that even PS2 or Gamecube aren't capable of.  Self shadowing, normal mapping, bump mapping, specular highlights... 3DS is pumping out the sort of effects we generally see on advanced shader architectures like those found in 360 and PS3.  Effects wise, 3DS certainly is a generational leap over PSP.

I'd expect Wii 2 to be a similar step up over 360/PS3 honestly.  Comparable in some respects, a huge advancement in others, but clearly ahead overall.

3DS is not pumping out effects that we find not 360 and PS3 but only effects that we didn't see on PS2,GC.Better but not anywhere near PS3,360.

3DS is not generational leap.only enhanced last generation graphics with 3D

Eh, it's doing hardwired shader effects that weren't in any widespread use last gen, on any hardware.  Even Xbox had limited use of stuff like normal or bump maps, and no real self-shadowing or anoything along those lines.

thats what i said it is better but not as much as this gen

 In terms of effects, it is indeed doing things are more often seen on 360 and PS3 than last gen systems, and it's doing this pre-release, in demos that were put together in about 3 months.

it will do things similar but not upto the mark.its in between

And 3DS is pretty easily a generational leap from DS, which is all that really matters.  The fact that it handily outperforms PSP from all vantage points (geometry, textures, lighting, effects) is beside that somewhat.

just being better than PSP does nothing.you have to have a pretty big leap like between two generation and 3DS is not doing that.its in between.

 I expect Wii 2 to be pretty similar, a generational step up from Wii and outperforms 360/PS3 decently.

Wii2 will not be generational leap as it will not do PS4 and 720 graphics which is what generational leap should like being same level with other.not when PS4 and 360 comeout they release PS360 type hardware

PS3 is still pushing boundries though and is still expensive,will we see as powerful as PS3 in CPU department as Nintendo will not make a console costlier than $299





Solid_Snake4RD said:
jarrod said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
jarrod said:
jrsax7 said:

Eh, it's doing hardwired shader effects that weren't in any widespread use last gen, on any hardware.  Even Xbox had limited use of stuff like normal or bump maps, and no real self-shadowing or anoything along those lines.

thats what i said it is better but not as much as this gen

 In terms of effects, it is indeed doing things are more often seen on 360 and PS3 than last gen systems, and it's doing this pre-release, in demos that were put together in about 3 months.

it will do things similar but not upto the mark.its in between

And 3DS is pretty easily a generational leap from DS, which is all that really matters.  The fact that it handily outperforms PSP from all vantage points (geometry, textures, lighting, effects) is beside that somewhat.

just being better than PSP does nothing.you have to have a pretty big leap like between two generation and 3DS is not doing that.its in between.

 I expect Wii 2 to be pretty similar, a generational step up from Wii and outperforms 360/PS3 decently.

Wii2 will not be generational leap as it will not do PS4 and 720 graphics which is what generational leap should like being same level with other.not when PS4 and 360 comeout they release PS360 type hardware

PS3 is still pushing boundries though and is still expensive,will we see as powerful as PS3 in CPU department as Nintendo will not make a console costlier than $299




I wouldn't rule out the chance of Nintendo releasing a console that is more powerful than the PS4 and next box lol.

even if the CPU is not more powerful than the CELL but as the CELL is not very good at some CPU tasks but at tasks that GPUs are good at it is much better than just about any other CPU you could argue that a good modern GPU combined with a good CPU would overall far outperform the PS3. back in when the CELL was being developed SONY wanted a single chip that would be the best of both worlds allowing all processing to be handled on one chip, but it didn't really work out like that as IBM routed the design in that of a CPU with GPU like components and they ended up with the worst of both worlds but still a incredibly powerful chip. Since then the trend has been to make GPUs more CPU like and while modern GPUs aren't as good at traditionally CPU tasks as the CELL, for the things that the CELL is better than a normal CPU at a modern GPU is far far better, that is stuff physics rendering tasks etc. 

But I am getting off topic I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo release a console capable of doing 3D at 1080p (3-4* the PS360 should do it) with some gimmick that none of us have thought of. I do know it won't have a projector built in as a good projector is as big as a current console and costs thousands of $$$ not something you want built into the console. Also they are not gonna use a kinect style control scheme as none of their franchises would work with it and it has serious problems with any game that isn't a dance or sports game as far as I can tell.

As for Bue-ray Nintendo could use it but I think they will use a proprietary disk probably based on Blu-ray like they did with the gamecube.



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TheLivingShadow said:

How about a console that entirely relies on itself (I mean NO OTHER hardware, not even controllers!) and nothing else? Besides being able to run DVDs or Blu-Rays or whatever capable disc format, it would also produce the sound and the visuals (using a projector as part of the console). What about the controllers? Well, I have a simple answer: Kinect-like control.

Nintendo would never ship a Wii succesor without a controller.  Controller-less gaming is nice as a gimmick, but if the console did not come with a controller it would completely eliminate backwards compatibility to all previous systems, and controller-less gaming makes only sense for a narrow range of games (dance / fitness games / minigame collections etc.)

But I think you are indeed thinking into a right direction and that the Wii successor will be shipping with an EyeToy-like video camera/microphone combination. It won't be Kinect-like technology because that Kinect's technology is simply way too expensive and would seem too much like copying Microsoft. It will be a stereoscopic camera/microphone like the one rumoured for the PS3. It would enable lots of things not possible with the Wii right now at a very cheap production price. It would be rather innovative too, as stereoscopic cameras are still not that widespread. And one couldn't even say that Nintendo is stealing ideas from Move or Kinect, as the Nintendo DSi has already been using cameras and microphones for some time and Kinect and Move both don't use a stereoscopic camera. And the device would be more interesting to game developers to support it since every console owner would have it, not just some as it is with an optional device like Microsoft Kinect/Playstation Move. Being a stereoscopic camera also makes it just perfectly equipped for when 3DTVs really kick off. And it would theoretically even allow for many things possible with the Kinect camera, as two cameras can be used for depth recognition as well, though it would need more processing power than the Kinect camera. Nintendo will probably stick to a Nintendo Wii-like, left and right hand split motion-sensored wireless controller, and the controller might even use Move-like glowing balls (I'm not sure about that part though, the copying from Sony Move would most probably be too obvious).

The Wii successor may very well have other, maybe even bigger innovations as well (apart from the obvious things like HD and 3D capability), but I'm rather sure it will have this. Only problem is that the Xbox 360 successor will also be shipping with a similar camera and the PS3 successor will probably do as well, so Nintendo should be first to market so it will seem like Sony and Microsoft are copying their concept. But that just fits in perfectly, as Nintendo will most probably be the first to announce a new console anyway. The Wii is technically simply becoming a bit outdated and unlike Microsoft and Sony, they do not have the motivation of keeping the current generation as long as possible because they didn't make massive losses on hardware in the beginning.



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N6 will not have 3D. Iwata said it himself in an interview at E3.



Does that mean Nintendo will support 3D TV's with those annoying glasses?



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Ninten78 said:

I found this,but I think someone may have been misquoted

http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/news/a238451/wii-successor-to-be-3d-compatible.html

 

copy n paste it

 

3D for the living room will be a flop as long as you must wear those glasses, who got all the media attention at the E3? Nintendo! Not Sony with is laughable press conference with the 3D PS3 add on.

Nintendo knows that there is not much money behind 3D in the living room.



zarx said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
jarrod said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
jarrod said:
jrsax7 said:

Eh, it's doing hardwired shader effects that weren't in any widespread use last gen, on any hardware.  Even Xbox had limited use of stuff like normal or bump maps, and no real self-shadowing or anoything along those lines.

thats what i said it is better but not as much as this gen

 In terms of effects, it is indeed doing things are more often seen on 360 and PS3 than last gen systems, and it's doing this pre-release, in demos that were put together in about 3 months.

it will do things similar but not upto the mark.its in between

And 3DS is pretty easily a generational leap from DS, which is all that really matters.  The fact that it handily outperforms PSP from all vantage points (geometry, textures, lighting, effects) is beside that somewhat.

just being better than PSP does nothing.you have to have a pretty big leap like between two generation and 3DS is not doing that.its in between.

 I expect Wii 2 to be pretty similar, a generational step up from Wii and outperforms 360/PS3 decently.

Wii2 will not be generational leap as it will not do PS4 and 720 graphics which is what generational leap should like being same level with other.not when PS4 and 360 comeout they release PS360 type hardware

PS3 is still pushing boundries though and is still expensive,will we see as powerful as PS3 in CPU department as Nintendo will not make a console costlier than $299




I wouldn't rule out the chance of Nintendo releasing a console that is more powerful than the PS4 and next box lol.

so you saying Wii2 will cost over $299

even if the CPU is not more powerful than the CELL but as the CELL is not very good at some CPU tasks

what tasks?

it just needs to be properly optimized.people were only saying that when CELL first launched

but at tasks that GPUs are good at it is much better than just about any other CPU

really and which at CELL's price does the job?

 

you could argue that a good modern GPU combined with a good CPU would overall far outperform the PS3.

at PS3's price,show me?

and also prove me how can you compare a different architecture CELL with other CPU as people are still finding out to use it and people find it easier to work on intel and AMD simple CPU's

back in when the CELL was being developed SONY wanted a single chip that would be the best of both worlds allowing all processing to be handled on one chip, but it didn't really work out like that as IBM routed the design in that of a CPU with GPU like components and they ended up with the worst of both worlds but still a incredibly powerful chip. Since then the trend has been to make GPUs more CPU like and while modern GPUs aren't as good at traditionally CPU tasks as the CELL, for the things that the CELL is better than a normal CPU at a modern GPU is far far better, that is stuff physics rendering tasks etc.

and you think SONY won't improve it and put the same in PS4 and Wii2 will be stronger and will be expensive

But I am getting off topic I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo release a console capable of doing 3D at 1080p (3-4* the PS360 should do it) with some gimmick that none of us have thought of.

PS3 can already do 1080p 3D as it has HDMI 1,3,360 can only do 720p 3D with HDMI 1.2

also more power is needed to make 2D and 3D same quality which PS3 has ATM.so Wii2 HAVING 1080P 3D won't be a big thing

I do know it won't have a projector built in as a good projector is as big as a current console and costs thousands of $$$ not something you want built into the console. Also they are not gonna use a kinect style control scheme as none of their franchises would work with it and it has serious problems with any game that isn't a dance or sports game as far as I can tell.

As for Bue-ray Nintendo could use it but I think they will use a proprietary disk probably based on Blu-ray like they did with the gamecube.

yes i agree





Porcupine_I said:

Does that mean Nintendo will support 3D TV's with those annoying glasses?


even the Wii does support 3D but they cannot make games as processing power is low so games will be degraded and video output port is outdated