Lol at the people that don't think Halo Reach will move consoles... Even MW2 moved consoles and thats for PS3 and PC as well.
Lol at the people that don't think Halo Reach will move consoles... Even MW2 moved consoles and thats for PS3 and PC as well.
Solid_Snake4RD said:
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Well some sources on most of the figures and claims I made earlier...
http://news.cnet.com/8301-10784_3-9874317-7.html
http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/oct2005/tc2005106_9074_tc024.htm
...now how about citing some actual sources of your own? Specifically anything that would at all indicate Sony recouping the $4.7B-plus moneysink that was PS3 off BD royalties?
Also, your take on Warner's change seems pretty grossly off point. Warner's defection was precisely what killed HD-DVD, which is why the BDA offered to use their codecs and throw so much in terms of royalties their way so late in the game. It was basically a moneyhat to end the format war.
Solid_Snake4RD said:
whover did it,they did a bad job like most others,why blame PS3 for it? |
I'm not blaming PS3 for it, and I'm bit unsure where you've gotten the idea that I have? I'm just commenting on the state of the actual libraries of both, not getting into any reasons behind that.
huaxiong90 said:
A patch fixed most of the performance issues. The only unrepairable issue now is the graphics. |
Eh, not from what I understand... the patch mainly reduced load times, which were also an issue in the PS3 rev. Also, I've been told the patch came from Sony, bizarrely, rather than Sega.
dirkd2323 said: Never say never, 360 has a year plus head start and is only ahead 5 million units, The last few months PS3 has had a shortage of units, or more would of been sold. Since PS3 slim has come out over 1 year ago, PS3 has pretty much smacked the 360 in sales, for awhile even in America, so yah the last 6 months the 360 has sold 5-10 thousand more units a week, big deal, PS3 has been above 360 on sales board for over a year now, even with this new 360 slim, copy, its only out saling it buy 90,000 a week which will not last, Ps3 is now on year number 4, and is making money, now with PSN plus, most of 360 players are shooter fans , especially in America, Natal, Kinect what ever you want to call it SUCKS for FPS, it will not sale near as good as the PS move, so keep dreamin, MS has Halo Reach and Gears 3 as there big hitters , PS has Killzone 3, Twisted Medal , Infamous 2 , Res 3 , GT5 , Uncharted 3 , Along with PS move. SO xbox fans enjoy this spike in sales, because it won't last long. We still have a nice long ride this gen, What I am most curious about is the new 360s failure rate, can they keep it under 60 percent this time, I hope so , I am so tired of sending mine in to be fixed. |
I liked reading this, but even if the 360 outsells the PS3 every week for the next 2 years, what then?? i expect to be playing my PS3 for at least the next 6 years if not 7 or 8. can the 360 or the wii even go half that distance?? and a lot of people seem to think that the next gen is just around the corner, like 2 years time. i dont think sony or M$ will launch new consoles when their current consoles havent sold 50 mil yet alone 100 mil. and they've both lost a lot of money just getting that far in 5 years.
when it comes down to it, its like you say - all about the games, and i'm not debating who has the better exclusives, but we'll see who has a better year. the games i'm looking forward to the most are 3rd party anway, but it will be interesting to see how well games that lead on the PS3 do when it has been the 360 that has had lead development mostly until now....
PS. even though PS3 has more exclusives, it is well know that Halo or Gears may sell about triple what a PS exclusive sells; so imo it really up to 3rd party developers to show how lead development on the PS3 can actully result in better games.
jarrod said:
Er... you don't seem to grasp though, PSP, PS2, etc are automatically figured in given he's using division profit/loss figures from SCE. That $4.7B loss figure he's throwing out? That already has PSP's profits, and PS2's concurrent profits, and any profit from PS3 software/HOME/etc figured into it. The truth is PS3 lost SCE far more than $4.7B. PS3 has actually lost more than PS2 and PSP ever made (and also counting PS1's latter 5 years of pure profits), all combined. Forget PS2's "peak years", PS3 has lost that and then some. If we only had SCE figures from 93/94/95/96, we could judge if the PlayStation division has been profitable or not overall... going from 97-on though it's already close to a loss overall. |
no he's not read what he stated..he was talking about just the last 5 year's of the PS2..that was stated in 2008..he was not even talking about the PS1 or the PSP..
and as for this:
That $4.7B loss figure he's throwing out? That already has PSP's profits, and PS2's concurrent profits, and any profit from PS3 software/HOME/etc figured into it.
no it's not for one he's taking a guess, and second Sony has stated the Playstation platform as a whole has sold over 50 billion @ retail...so keep dreaming
so even taking into account the PEAK sales of othe PS2 that does not still take into account for the other profit's generated by the PS1 and PSP and part of the PS2's ...there is no way it does since sony has stated they Sold over 50 Billion
yes that's not all profit, but still come on.!
I AM BOLO
100% lover "nothing else matter's" after that...
ps:
Proud psOne/2/3/p owner. I survived Aplcalyps3 and all I got was this lousy Signature.
jarrod said:
Well some sources on most of the figures and claims I made earlier... http://news.cnet.com/8301-10784_3-9874317-7.html http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/oct2005/tc2005106_9074_tc024.htm http://www.myce.com/news/Blu-ray-prices-to-fall-as-patent-holders-simplify-licensing-15591/?utm_source=cdfreaks&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=email_newsletter_activestories_week ...now how about citing some actual sources of your own? Specifically anything that would at all indicate Sony recouping the $4.7B-plus moneysink that was PS3 off BD royalties? Also, your take on Warner's change seems pretty grossly off point. Warner's defection was precisely what killed HD-DVD, which is why the BDA offered to use their codecs and throw so much in terms of royalties their way so late in the game. It was basically a moneyhat to end the format war. |
no ..no ...no
I do not know where you get that trite from but that is false..for the last freakin time.
Warner was on the board of Director's of the BDA since before HD DVD was even released and was still on it even as WB supported HD DVD also besides Blu-Ray. and was still throughout this so called HD CONTEST.
WB did not need to defect they were already supporting BD and the fact that the only reason WB did support HD DVD was because they infact wanted to Give it A chance in the Market. IE: double dip releases.
That was even asked Did WB get money hatted. they denied it, on top of that only one freakin company made the D@MN HD DVD optical drives and Player's..that Was Toshiba, HD DVD had no chance to win , With or Without the PS3 Blu-Ray was going to be the Winner because none of the other CE manuf. could make any money with HD DVD!
that's the truth.
I AM BOLO
100% lover "nothing else matter's" after that...
ps:
Proud psOne/2/3/p owner. I survived Aplcalyps3 and all I got was this lousy Signature.
Solid_Snake4RD said:
they ditched it when PS3's were on 65nm and they directly tried to go to 32nm and skip 45nm(currently in PS3) but then it was taking too much time and SONY's wanted it early so they abandend it and went back and did 45nm
YOU SHOULD REALLY FIRST CHEAK WHAT YOU ARE COMMNETING AND THEN SPEAK |
WTF are you talking about???
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Globalfoundries-32nm-Bulk-Process-Canceled-139063.shtml
http://www.cdrinfo.com/sections/news/Details.aspx?NewsId=26392
You deserve a Ban. You only spread fud, don't know a shit of what you say, and you are only saying your wishful thinking. Please, grow up, and before writing stupid things, learn to read, and to provide links.
Do you really think any foundy thought of skipping 45nm? Provide a link! Provide a link where it says it's Sony who convinced them to return to 45nm. Provide a link where it says they will make 32nm bulk for Sony. Do you know anything you write about? GROW UP, and don't invent things.
The sad thing is that probably you believe all the stupidities you write.
joeorc said:
no ..no ...no I do not know where you get that trite from but that is false..for the last freakin time. Warner was on the board of Director's of the BDA since before HD DVD was even released and was still on it even as WB supported HD DVD also besides Blu-Ray. and was still throughout this so called HD CONTEST. WB did not need to defect they were already supporting BD and the fact that the only reason WB did support HD DVD was because they infact wanted to Give it A chance in the Market. IE: double dip releases. That was even asked Did WB get money hatted. they denied it, on top of that only one freakin company made the D@MN HD DVD optical drives and Player's..that Was Toshiba, HD DVD had no chance to win , With or Without the PS3 Blu-Ray was going to be the Winner because none of the other CE manuf. could make any money with HD DVD! that's the truth. |
Warner's defection was the death knell for HD-DVD, that's pretty much inarguable, and that's what granted them such a coup on IP rights for BD (and thus royalties). It's what also allowed Paramount to get out of their exclusivity contract with HD-DVD.
Also, are you high? No Toshiba wasn't the only CE manufacturer making HD-DVD drives, NEC, HP, LG, Samsung, RCA, Acer and others also made HD-DVD drives and even some combo drives (HD-DVD plus BD).
joeorc said:
no he's not read what he stated..he was talking about just the last 5 year's of the PS2..that was stated in 2008..he was not even talking about the PS1 or the PSP.. and as for this: That $4.7B loss figure he's throwing out? That already has PSP's profits, and PS2's concurrent profits, and any profit from PS3 software/HOME/etc figured into it. no it's not for one he's taking a guess, and second Sony has stated the Playstation platform as a whole has sold over 50 billion @ retail...so keep dreaming so even taking into account the PEAK sales of othe PS2 that does not still take into account for the other profit's generated by the PS1 and PSP and part of the PS2's ...there is no way it does since sony has stated they Sold over 50 Billion yes that's not all profit, but still come on.! |
lol. The only one dreaming here the person clinging to PR and ignoring IR. ;)
I'd suggest you take a quick look in this thread. The numbers aren't perfect, they're a hell of a lot more accurate than "50 billion @ retail".