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BBH said:
Arius Dion said:

I think this whole 3D push by Sony is going to hurt them, big time.

The whole electronics industry is pushing 3D.

And how might I ask?

It can only help Sony - unless 3D fails but that is so unlikely.

True, but Sony seems to be at the forefront of this no? I think it will hurt them because the are pushing for this high end tech during a time of great financial strain. 3D, TV and consoles is an inevitability perhaps, but not the type that requires the glasses. They are investing heavily on already dated tech. This can fail, and what folks don't seem to understand is that mainstream consumers, not the tech heads, haven't even gotten HDTV's yet, and somehow they are going to invest thousands of dollars on a 3DTV? For a couple channels? It just really sounds like a disaster waiting to happen to me.



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irstupid said:
snfr said:

I just thought of something for a moment: just image Nintendo announces their next home console with 3D support in a few years. Now think about it for a minute... yes, you got it, you WILL NEED GLASSES! I know something for sure... Nintendo-only fans will praise Nintendo and say that glasses are ok. (btw: I consider myself a Sony AND Nintendo fan)

Funny... isn't it.

Seriously, that's the reason why they shouldn't bash glasses. Of course I don't think Sony should complain about that because they bash other companies and things as well (motion controls a few years ago, for example), but that's how PR works today, it seems...


i will never praise glasses, if their new consoles supports 3D i am still not goiung to have a 3DTV until it is glasses free

and your wrong on your point, nintendo would not be promoting/supporting 3D glasses, they would be supporting just 3D.  How you view that 3D is up to you.  Sony on other hand MAKES 3DTV's and GLASSES, thus they promote them.

This is pretty much how I see it as well. Sony are a TV manufacturer, they are directly responsible for putting the 3DTVs that need glasses out there, so they are promoting the use of that method even if they do know something better may come along in 5 years or so. Nintendo meanwhile, they're not a TV manufacturer, they're completely at the mercy of Sony and others when it comes to how their content is viewed. They have no control over how people would view their games in 3D. So yeah, they'd be supporting 3D, but they would not be pushing a particular type of 3D. If there's only one way to watch 3D content (i.e. with glasses), then that's just the way it is and there's literally nothing Nintendo can do about that.

Of course it's all likely to be moot anyway. Nintendo have repeatedly stated that they will wait for 3D penetration to hit ~30% of the market, and I'd wager that we will have glassesless 3DTVs by then anyway.



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BBH said:
jarrod said:

BBH said:

In basic terms, the 3DS is an inferior 3D experience 

Well, except in terms of color saturation, light levels, cost and 3rd party software support. ;)

If the massmarket adopts what Nintendo's vision for 3D is, they won't settle for glasses based solutions.  They'll wait it out, keep their HD TVs they just bought instead, and upgrade when the technology eventually meets their needs at a reasonable pricepoint (ie: glassless 3DTV).

Well, what really matters is that the actual 3D is better on a big screen! Also 3rd party software will be far superior with 3DTV if you count all TV channels and their 3D content. (Not sure if you class that as software?).

People will settle for glasses due to many, many advantageous of watching on a TV compared to a small gaming screen. Also, glasses aren't a huge deal to many/most. Those who buy DS's and TV's are very different people - they want different things.

Also, it's going to be too long imo before glassless 3DTVs are produced and available to the masses.

It's only logical to think that if someone plays a 3DS and are impressed, that they are then far more likely to invest in a proper 3DTV. 

It's not logical to think that someones experience with a DS will put them off buying a TV.

But... it isn't inherently "better".  It's appreciably dimmer, less colorful, orders of magnitude more expensive, requires brand incompatible glasses and comes with a far, far worse lineup of games.  3DS is easy, clear and cheap.  3DTV/PS3 isn't really any of those right now.

You say too long, but I say the current 3DTV push is too soon.  The massmarket just got to HD, they're not ready yet.  It'd be like if Blu-ray came out in 2002, I just don't think the CE/content firms are going to be able to drive the cycle this fast...

And it's not logical at all to think people liking 3DS will want a 3DTV.  Look at the E3 media response to using a 3DS, and then to playing/watching 3D PS3 titles... worlds apart, and most media got their hands on 3DS first.  3DS won't directly drive 3DTV, and it's implementation (glassless) may actually set a consumer standard that helps slow it.



snfr said:
irstupid said:
snfr said:
irstupid said:
 


i will never praise glasses, if their new consoles supports 3D i am still not goiung to have a 3DTV until it is glasses free

and your wrong on your point, nintendo would not be promoting/supporting 3D glasses, they would be supporting just 3D.  How you view that 3D is up to you.  Sony on other hand MAKES 3DTV's and GLASSES, thus they promote them.

Bolded: Well, seems there are still reasonable people. Anyway, I don't have a problem with glasses right now and I won't have one in the future.

But you're second point is not fully correct. If they support 3D they automatically support 3D with glasses. That's simply because you won't be able to buy 3D TVs which don't require glasses on the mass market and these will still have the problem of the viewing angle (you have to sit exactly in the right viewing angle). The technology that is used for the 3DS is already used in TVs, Sony knows about that technology as well just as every other TV manufacturer, but with these problems you just can't promote them right (it would actually be stupid).

i don't know what you bolded cause nothuing seems bolded, but just because their new console that would support 3D and said they won't release or use 3D until 30% market penetration, doesn't mean they Support Glasses.

They support 3D, that is it.  what you saying is like if someone makes a game for the wii that is porn, that nintendo supports porn.  no they don't.  or a tv maker puts out a tv and you can hook up vhs, blue ray, dvd, laser disc, ect.  yes they support all those formats in the sense of one definition of support, but they are not promoting the use of one over the other.


Any 3D conosle, hell 10000 years in the future could be hooked up to an old tv that uses glasses, does that mean that console maker SUPPORTS or promotes in this case definition wise glasses?  no, it is just an option that you can do.  Nintendo would be supporting 3D, that is it.  It is up to the consumer what type of 3D.  Just as sony's ps3 supports 3D, you can play iit on a glasses free 3d tv too, just sony is promoting glasses since they make them. 

I bolded the first thing you said? Doesn't matter... forget about it...

I don't say that your logic doesn't make sense. But as I said glassless TVs exist, just to promote them would be stupid. So what else can Sony (and every other TV manufacturer) promote? 3D TVs with glasses is the answer. But it's not like Sony says: "you will always have to wear glasses to play games and watch films in 3D". When/if the problems with glassfree 3D TVs are solved you will still be able to play these games. So... Sony is also supporting 3D in general, but like every other manufacturer they have to sell TVs with glasses, of course.

Anyway, I don't really understand why so many people (I don't mean Nintendo) bash Sony. Buying a 3D TV and playing games and watching films in 3D will always be optional, so if people don't like it they just shouldn't buy it. And in my opinion Sony doesn't make a bad move with supporting 3D right now.

i'm not saying sony is being dumb or any other company doing 3D glasses.  At moment it is only viable option and only NEW upgrade really for tv's over high definition.

I am merely under belief that if 3DS didn't get announced and doesnt' become a hit, that 3DTV's with glasses would say by 2015 have a 25% penetration, still pretty small, due to expensive and most content with HD and also many dont' upgrade sooner than 10 years on tv's. 

But now with the IDEA of glasses free that 3DS will put into people heads SOME will be taken away from that 30% and now I see that 2015 figure being something like 15%.  No they are not replacing their home theatre viewing by sitting around with 3DS watching movies, they are just waiting out the technology and are totally content with HDTV's right now.  Might change quick, but right now there is like nothing in 3D, so why get a 3D tv.  The then hassle of glasses and glasses cost, not to mention the TV costs. 

this whole don't bash glasses by sony is just them goiung "oh shit, instead of selling a bunch of these FILLER tv's until we get glasses free tv's out we are going to be selling a lot less of them, due to the IDEA of glasses free"  The 3DS is not a substitute it is an idea, and that idea is what is counterconstructive towards Sony's and many other TV makers near financial future of glasses tv's.

and screw analysts, they always think some new expensive amazing technoology is somethiung tha EVERYONE will get.  they are morons.



Arius Dion said:
BBH said:
Arius Dion said:

I think this whole 3D push by Sony is going to hurt them, big time.

The whole electronics industry is pushing 3D.

And how might I ask?

It can only help Sony - unless 3D fails but that is so unlikely.

True, but Sony seems to be at the forefront of this no? I think it will hurt them because the are pushing for this high end tech during a time of great financial strain. 3D, TV and consoles is an inevitability perhaps, but not the type that requires the glasses. They are investing heavily on already dated tech. This can fail, and what folks don't seem to understand is that mainstream consumers, not the tech heads, haven't even gotten HDTV's yet, and somehow they are going to invest thousands of dollars on a 3DTV? For a couple channels? It just really sounds like a disaster waiting to happen to me.

Well, good points, but if you see what's happening at cinemas worldwide, and the average consumers who are opting to see 3D instead, it gives me the opinion that 3D is different. I would say that most people have an HDTV now by the way?

If 3D by some chance fails:

- Sony have lost some money, not a great deal in the scheme of things, and there will be another 3D push in the future.

If 3D, as expected takes off:

- Sony build on their market share

- Sony are seen as the 3D leaders

- More Blu-Rays will be sold - More money for Sony

- TV's will become proftibale - More money for Sony



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We'll see :P



BBH said:
Arius Dion said:
BBH said:
Arius Dion said:

I think this whole 3D push by Sony is going to hurt them, big time.

The whole electronics industry is pushing 3D.

And how might I ask?

It can only help Sony - unless 3D fails but that is so unlikely.

True, but Sony seems to be at the forefront of this no? I think it will hurt them because the are pushing for this high end tech during a time of great financial strain. 3D, TV and consoles is an inevitability perhaps, but not the type that requires the glasses. They are investing heavily on already dated tech. This can fail, and what folks don't seem to understand is that mainstream consumers, not the tech heads, haven't even gotten HDTV's yet, and somehow they are going to invest thousands of dollars on a 3DTV? For a couple channels? It just really sounds like a disaster waiting to happen to me.

Well, good points, but if you see what's happening at cinemas worldwide, and the average consumers who are opting to see 3D instead, it gives me the opinion that 3D is different. I would say that most people have an HDTV now by the way?

If 3D by some chance fails:

- Sony have lost some money, not a great deal in the scheme of things, and there will be another 3D push in the future.

If 3D, as expected takes off:

- Sony build on their market share

- Sony are seen as the 3D leaders

- More Blu-Rays will be sold - More money for Sony

- TV's will become proftibale - More money for Sony

Yeah. We will just have to wait and see how this plays out. It could be a raging success or an extreme failure. If it is a failure, I don't think its as simple as "Sony loses a couple dollars, goes back to business as usual" This investment towards this endeavor can potentially do way more harm than that to the company as a whole.

The cinema experience and home experience are very different beasts, I'm sure you'll agree. So I also don't know if its as simple as well its working in this realm, so it will work in that one.

I'm actually kind of glad for the 3D TV push myself, from Sony and others because it keeps bringing down the price of that Samsung LED TV I've had my eye on since it was 2G's lol. Now I can get it for 750-800$.



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If the Wii sells less than 20 million in 2009 (as defined by VGC sales between week ending 3d Jan 2009 to week ending 4th Jan 2010) Slimebeast wins and get to control Arius Dion's sig for 1 month.

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BBH said:
Arius Dion said:
BBH said:
Arius Dion said:

I think this whole 3D push by Sony is going to hurt them, big time.

The whole electronics industry is pushing 3D.

And how might I ask?

It can only help Sony - unless 3D fails but that is so unlikely.

True, but Sony seems to be at the forefront of this no? I think it will hurt them because the are pushing for this high end tech during a time of great financial strain. 3D, TV and consoles is an inevitability perhaps, but not the type that requires the glasses. They are investing heavily on already dated tech. This can fail, and what folks don't seem to understand is that mainstream consumers, not the tech heads, haven't even gotten HDTV's yet, and somehow they are going to invest thousands of dollars on a 3DTV? For a couple channels? It just really sounds like a disaster waiting to happen to me.

Well, good points, but if you see what's happening at cinemas worldwide, and the average consumers who are opting to see 3D instead, it gives me the opinion that 3D is different. I would say that most people have an HDTV now by the way?

If 3D by some chance fails:

- Sony have lost some money, not a great deal in the scheme of things, and there will be another 3D push in the future.

If 3D, as expected takes off:

- Sony build on their market share

- Sony are seen as the 3D leaders

- More Blu-Rays will be sold - More money for Sony

- TV's will become proftibale - More money for Sony

i guess right now HD penetration is roughly 46%, so almost every other house has a HDTV.

HDTV was first introduced in as early as 1990, tv shows in hd in 2000 and you can search more if you want.  But to expect 3D to become mainstream in so short tiem is just moronic.

Also 3D in theatres is not o be compared to home.  its like everyone goes into hot tubs at hotels, does that mean they are all going to buy a hot tub for home?  a hot tub is cheaper than a 3DTV for your information



Arius Dion said:
BBH said:
Arius Dion said:

True, but Sony seems to be at the forefront of this no? I think it will hurt them because the are pushing for this high end tech during a time of great financial strain. 3D, TV and consoles is an inevitability perhaps, but not the type that requires the glasses. They are investing heavily on already dated tech. This can fail, and what folks don't seem to understand is that mainstream consumers, not the tech heads, haven't even gotten HDTV's yet, and somehow they are going to invest thousands of dollars on a 3DTV? For a couple channels? It just really sounds like a disaster waiting to happen to me.

Well, good points, but if you see what's happening at cinemas worldwide, and the average consumers who are opting to see 3D instead, it gives me the opinion that 3D is different. I would say that most people have an HDTV now by the way?

If 3D by some chance fails:

- Sony have lost some money, not a great deal in the scheme of things, and there will be another 3D push in the future.

If 3D, as expected takes off:

- Sony build on their market share

- Sony are seen as the 3D leaders

- More Blu-Rays will be sold - More money for Sony

- TV's will become proftibale - More money for Sony

Yeah. We will just have to wait and see how this plays out. It could be a raging success or an extreme failure. If it is a failure, I don't think its as simple as "Sony loses a couple dollars, goes back to business as usual" This investment towards this endeavor can potentially do way more harm than that to the company as a whole.

The cinema experience and home experience are very different beasts, I'm sure you'll agree. So I also don't know if its as simple as well its working in this realm, so it will work in that one.

I'm actually kind of glad for the 3D TV push myself, from Sony and others because it keeps bringing down the price of that Samsung LED TV I've had my eye on since it was 2G's lol. Now I can get it for 750-800$.

ha yea that is best thing about the 3D push is can keep buying more HDtv's for cheaper.  I bet this 3D push, pushes HDTV more than it pushes 3D, lol



BBH said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:
irstupid said:
snfr said:

I just thought of something for a moment: just image Nintendo announces their next home console with 3D support in a few years. Now think about it for a minute... yes, you got it, you WILL NEED GLASSES! I know something for sure... Nintendo-only fans will praise Nintendo and say that glasses are ok. (btw: I consider myself a Sony AND Nintendo fan)

Funny... isn't it.

Seriously, that's the reason why they shouldn't bash glasses. Of course I don't think Sony should complain about that because they bash other companies and things as well (motion controls a few years ago, for example), but that's how PR works today, it seems...


i will never praise glasses, if their new consoles supports 3D i am still not goiung to have a 3DTV until it is glasses free

and your wrong on your point, nintendo would not be promoting/supporting 3D glasses, they would be supporting just 3D.  How you view that 3D is up to you.  Sony on other hand MAKES 3DTV's and GLASSES, thus they promote them.

Sony promotes them because it wants to sell 3DTVs now. Anyhow, most people won't buy 3DTVs with glasses, it will be a niche. But a rich one and not just Sony, but most TV manufacturers want a slice of that pie, despite they perfectly know that most users, like you and me, will be totally fine with 2D HDTV until glassesless 3D will be mainstream. Remember also that whatever regards stereoscopic 3D and is different from displays, that is cameras,media, consoles, players, recorders, ets, can be developed without any problem and without waiting for glassesless big 3DTVs, when they'll be ready, all the other stuff will be compatible with any newer stereoscopic display tech. This means that the industry has a big incentive to market also the glasses based niche to make it as big as possible, to drive all the other stuff's sales instead of having to make them wait for a single remaining piece of the tech to be ready.

Cinemas and cinema sales show that glasses aren't such a big issue.....

True, but with 3D cinema you use glasses for a more limited time than for TV (except the movie buffs' minority). But you can include it in the "other stuff" (media is an essential part of cinema actually) I wrote about that can sell without waiting for glassesfree TV. Actually 3D cinema, together with 3d sports broadcasting can be a major force, more than games, to drive 3DTV sales in its early stages. 3D cinema and 3D games for portables are the only two main parts of the industry that will suffer very little from the limited appeal for 3DTVs with glasses, but that's just one more reason for the industry to make the glasses TV niche thrive as much as possible. I don't like glasses, but I can see that the reality is different from what the most rabid glasses haters are persuaded it is. These harshest haters actually happen to be Sony haters instead, and they incorrectly identify glasses as just Sony, hence the hate beyond the normal reaction of just not buying them. And Malstrom shows better than others the problem, his hate for Sony entered a raving stage and his desire to see it destroyed makes him first hope and immediately after persuade himself that whatever happens in the industry has the secret purpose to make his wet dreams real.



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