thismeintiel said:
http://www.gamepro.com/article/news/128448/halo-3-breaks-pre-order-records-at-1-million-sold/ I don't recall a final number of pre-orders, but I would imagine it would have been between 1.5 mil and 1.8 mil (MW2) by the time of release. |
Thats weird that Halo 3 had just about as many pre-orders as MW2 but sold over 1 million worse.
Very interesting thread, i wont say which game will sell more only time can tell that but one important factor that a lot of people keep leaving out when comparing the two is the fact that GT covers all demographics, age, gender etc... While Halo is strictly a "gamer's" game GT covers a way larger demographic, from casual gamers to Sim racing fans, to the hardcore ones that bought/will buy a ps3 just to play GT to car enthusiasts to people that will just buy the game because of how it looks, its just one of those must have titles whether or not you buy it on launch day or 3 years later in the bargain bin. Thats why GT games have such long legs, it has very little to do wtih install base or racing genre trends, so to try to predict how GT will sell based on previous GTs or PS3s install base or on how previous PS3 games have done would be a bit misleading.
That being said both games are flagship titles for their respective consoles and I think both games will sell very well and i think its even more impressive to see Halo sell that much while it covers such a small demographic but like many said in this thread, this gen is a "shooter" gen.
Most of the threads here are comparing with mostly baseless accusations. The biggest PS3 exclusive so far is MGS4 which stands at 4.81m which is not too far from its highest cousin from PS2, MGS2:Sons of L at 5.58m. You can see a significant drop of around 700k which can be attributed to the smaller PS3 base. The games which have crossed the 10m mark on the PS2 are the GT and GTA series. These are the only games thus it would come as no surprise that GT5 will easily make its most likely higest debut too. Thus it is useless saying that the biggest PS3 exclusive has not pass the 10m mark since they are not even near the 10m mark even during their PS2 era. Take away Halo 3 and Xbox 360 will not have its own exclusive which has passed the 10m mark too. Both are flagship titles and will easily do 10m and more.
Halo is Xbox's flagship and is a FPS which appeals to NA a lot, thus Halo 3 crossin the 10m is not surprising. However Reach is not a main series. Its hype and preorders are nowhere near Halo 3. And Halo has been released on Xbox 360 before thus there are no huge anticipation in waiting for Halo to reach the new console generation as it did with Halo 3. I am not lambasting Halo but from a logical point, it stands that Reach will do fairly well in the millions region but just not as well as GT5.
Similarly, GT is Sony's flagship but it appeals to not just a core demographic but rather a broad range of consumers since it is a racing and simulation genre. GT5 is also the first in the series to be released on the PS3, being in HD and 3D and having the largest base of vehicles and labels yet. And the most valid point, not only NA is huge on GT, but so is Japan and Europe. This is where GT has an advantage over Halo. If you take a look, every new series in the GT on a new Sony platform has performed huge. If it is a 2nd outing on the same platform, sales drops significantly in NA but actually rises in Japan and EU. And you just need to take a look at GT5:P. A prologue version has sold almost 4m excluding digital sales. Having it cross 10m is not even surprising but a given.
Comparing Reach to GT5 is like comparing GT5:P to Halo 3. Get the parallel comparison for those who dont really get it ? Or rather, its like comparing GT PSP to Halo Reach and I am saying GT PSP will sell more than Halo Reach.
| Yuyyder said: Most of the threads here are comparing with mostly baseless accusations. The biggest PS3 exclusive so far is MGS4 which stands at 4.81m which is not too far from its highest cousin from PS2, MGS2:Sons of L at 5.58m. You can see a significant drop of around 700k which can be attributed to the smaller PS3 base. The games which have crossed the 10m mark on the PS2 are the GT and GTA series. These are the only games thus it would come as no surprise that GT5 will easily make its most likely higest debut too. Thus it is useless saying that the biggest PS3 exclusive has not pass the 10m mark since they are not even near the 10m mark even during their PS2 era. Take away Halo 3 and Xbox 360 will not have its own exclusive which has passed the 10m mark too. Both are flagship titles and will easily do 10m and more. Halo is Xbox's flagship and is a FPS which appeals to NA a lot, thus Halo 3 crossin the 10m is not surprising. However Reach is not a main series. Its hype and preorders are nowhere near Halo 3. And Halo has been released on Xbox 360 before thus there are no huge anticipation in waiting for Halo to reach the new console generation as it did with Halo 3. I am not lambasting Halo but from a logical point, it stands that Reach will do fairly well in the millions region but just not as well as GT5. Similarly, GT is Sony's flagship but it appeals to not just a core demographic but rather a broad range of consumers since it is a racing and simulation genre. GT5 is also the first in the series to be released on the PS3, being in HD and 3D and having the largest base of vehicles and labels yet. And the most valid point, not only NA is huge on GT, but so is Japan and Europe. This is where GT has an advantage over Halo. If you take a look, every new series in the GT on a new Sony platform has performed huge. If it is a 2nd outing on the same platform, sales drops significantly in NA but actually rises in Japan and EU. And you just need to take a look at GT5:P. A prologue version has sold almost 4m excluding digital sales. Having it cross 10m is not even surprising but a given. Comparing Reach to GT5 is like comparing GT5:P to Halo 3. Get the parallel comparison for those who dont really get it ? Or rather, its like comparing GT PSP to Halo Reach and I am saying GT PSP will sell more than Halo Reach. |
this i agree with
| Yuyyder said: Most of the threads here are comparing with mostly baseless accusations. The biggest PS3 exclusive so far is MGS4 which stands at 4.81m which is not too far from its highest cousin from PS2, MGS2:Sons of L at 5.58m. You can see a significant drop of around 700k which can be attributed to the smaller PS3 base. The games which have crossed the 10m mark on the PS2 are the GT and GTA series. These are the only games thus it would come as no surprise that GT5 will easily make its most likely higest debut too. Thus it is useless saying that the biggest PS3 exclusive has not pass the 10m mark since they are not even near the 10m mark even during their PS2 era. Take away Halo 3 and Xbox 360 will not have its own exclusive which has passed the 10m mark too. Both are flagship titles and will easily do 10m and more. Halo is Xbox's flagship and is a FPS which appeals to NA a lot, thus Halo 3 crossin the 10m is not surprising. However Reach is not a main series. Its hype and preorders are nowhere near Halo 3. And Halo has been released on Xbox 360 before thus there are no huge anticipation in waiting for Halo to reach the new console generation as it did with Halo 3. I am not lambasting Halo but from a logical point, it stands that Reach will do fairly well in the millions region but just not as well as GT5. Similarly, GT is Sony's flagship but it appeals to not just a core demographic but rather a broad range of consumers since it is a racing and simulation genre. GT5 is also the first in the series to be released on the PS3, being in HD and 3D and having the largest base of vehicles and labels yet. And the most valid point, not only NA is huge on GT, but so is Japan and Europe. This is where GT has an advantage over Halo. If you take a look, every new series in the GT on a new Sony platform has performed huge. If it is a 2nd outing on the same platform, sales drops significantly in NA but actually rises in Japan and EU. And you just need to take a look at GT5:P. A prologue version has sold almost 4m excluding digital sales. Having it cross 10m is not even surprising but a given. Comparing Reach to GT5 is like comparing GT5:P to Halo 3. Get the parallel comparison for those who dont really get it ? Or rather, its like comparing GT PSP to Halo Reach and I am saying GT PSP will sell more than Halo Reach. |
LMAO no its not! Halo Reach is tracking slightly below MW2 (360 version) for pre-orders and we all know how good that game sold.
Now I'm not saying Reach will sell as well as MW2 but it will sell EXTREMELY well (at least 9-10 million)
thismeintiel said:
I say check the pre-order charts again. Last week's report marked the 4th straight decline in pre-oreders per week. It had less than 25K. To match the pre-order numbers of Halo 3, it will have to gain 650.4K pre-orders in the next 5 weeks. I highly doubt that will happen. Something tells me that 8-9 mil may be the Reach's lifetime sales. |
do u really think its going to sell less then 3.8 million copies first week, because i say 4.2 mininum
Halo MCC will sell 5+ million copies(including digital)
halo 5 will sell 10 million copies(including digital)
x1 will pass ps4 in USA, and UK.
yo_john117 said:
Thats weird that Halo 3 had just about as many pre-orders as MW2 but sold over 1 million worse. |
i think its because the differance in install base. when halo 3 launched there were like 18 million consoles and when MW2 like 40. so most likly if halo reach were to pre-order a little less then 3 it will still probably outsell it first week
Halo MCC will sell 5+ million copies(including digital)
halo 5 will sell 10 million copies(including digital)
x1 will pass ps4 in USA, and UK.
| yo_john117 said: Thats weird that Halo 3 had just about as many pre-orders as MW2 but sold over 1 million worse. |
Its not wierd with double install base... Halo Reach will sell faster than Halo 3, its pretty much a fact by now. Will it sell better than MW2 though (360 version)? I think so.
selnor said:
I will bet you my account access it doesn't. I will forfeit my account to you if GT5 sells more than Reach. Your dreaming alot here. PS doesnt have the name in the US it needs to get close. ALL GT games sell 50% of the sales in US. Where 360 is killing it by over 10m consoles. GT5 selling more than Reach is fiction. |
Correction:
.PS doesnt have the name in the US it needs to get close. ALL GT games sell 30% of the sales in US. Where 360 is killing it by over 10m consoles.
Now, i'll tell you, what happens in Europe:
.Xbox doesnt have the name in Europe it needs to get close. ALL Halo games sell 40% of the sales in Europe. Where Ps3 is killing it by over 500k consoles...
difference is....that Halo games sell the same amount of copies in Europe as Gran Turismo in the US...and, Gran Turismo sells the same numbers in Europe as Halo in the US...where's the key factor? Japan.
NOW i take that bet sir.
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to bad hes banned that would be a cool bet to win id take it if i was you war machine, doubt he'll accpet it though
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