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Solid_Snake4RD on 28 June 2010
mundus6 said:
Halo_Reach said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
Halo_Reach said:

lol at ANYONE that thinks  gt5 will outsell Halo Reach...literally LOL


lol at any one who thinks halo reach will outsell Gran Turismo 5


one jan 1st 2011 i will make damn sure to bump this and laugh at you for being delusional, as most playstation fans are...and guess what you will be nowhere to be found, after first week sales of Halo reach top 4 million, which will be enough to eclipse the entire rest of the year for gt5...then Halo reach finishes 2010 with over 7 million which gt5 will NEVER reach...so you will see, and then i will get the last laugh


Not agreeing with your post at all, but Halo Reach week one sales will top 5 million at least.

no they won't

if they launch on mondat then they can but not normally.if games like GTA SAN ANDREAS and MW2 couldn't do it HALO wouldn't



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Halo_Reach on 28 June 2010
Solid_Snake4RD said:
mundus6 said:
Halo_Reach said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
Halo_Reach said:

lol at ANYONE that thinks  gt5 will outsell Halo Reach...literally LOL


lol at any one who thinks halo reach will outsell Gran Turismo 5


one jan 1st 2011 i will make damn sure to bump this and laugh at you for being delusional, as most playstation fans are...and guess what you will be nowhere to be found, after first week sales of Halo reach top 4 million, which will be enough to eclipse the entire rest of the year for gt5...then Halo reach finishes 2010 with over 7 million which gt5 will NEVER reach...so you will see, and then i will get the last laugh


Not agreeing with your post at all, but Halo Reach week one sales will top 5 million at least.

no they won't

if they launch on mondat then they can but not normally.if games like GTA SAN ANDREAS and MW2 couldn't do it HALO wouldn't

check this out, first 2 weeks of Halo Reach, that way it WILL have a full week plus the first partial week, will total 6 million worldwide, I am willing to go out on a pretty big limb and say 9 million worldwide when first week of 2011 reports, what you say to that?



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mundus6 on 28 June 2010
Solid_Snake4RD said:
mundus6 said:
Halo_Reach said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
Halo_Reach said:

lol at ANYONE that thinks  gt5 will outsell Halo Reach...literally LOL


lol at any one who thinks halo reach will outsell Gran Turismo 5


one jan 1st 2011 i will make damn sure to bump this and laugh at you for being delusional, as most playstation fans are...and guess what you will be nowhere to be found, after first week sales of Halo reach top 4 million, which will be enough to eclipse the entire rest of the year for gt5...then Halo reach finishes 2010 with over 7 million which gt5 will NEVER reach...so you will see, and then i will get the last laugh


Not agreeing with your post at all, but Halo Reach week one sales will top 5 million at least.

no they won't

if they launch on mondat then they can but not normally.if games like GTA SAN ANDREAS and MW2 couldn't do it HALO wouldn't

MW2 sold almost 5 million first week on 360 alone. Halo Reach WILL sell more and faster than MW2 (360 version) so yeah 5 million first week at least (or 2nd week depending on how you look at it).



thismeintiel on 28 June 2010
Halo_Reach said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
mundus6 said:
Halo_Reach said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
Halo_Reach said:

lol at ANYONE that thinks  gt5 will outsell Halo Reach...literally LOL


lol at any one who thinks halo reach will outsell Gran Turismo 5


one jan 1st 2011 i will make damn sure to bump this and laugh at you for being delusional, as most playstation fans are...and guess what you will be nowhere to be found, after first week sales of Halo reach top 4 million, which will be enough to eclipse the entire rest of the year for gt5...then Halo reach finishes 2010 with over 7 million which gt5 will NEVER reach...so you will see, and then i will get the last laugh


Not agreeing with your post at all, but Halo Reach week one sales will top 5 million at least.

no they won't

if they launch on mondat then they can but not normally.if games like GTA SAN ANDREAS and MW2 couldn't do it HALO wouldn't

check this out, first 2 weeks of Halo Reach, that way it WILL have a full week plus the first partial week, will total 6 million worldwide, I am willing to go out on a pretty big limb and say 9 million worldwide when first week of 2011 reports, what you say to that?

I say check the pre-order charts again.  Last week's report marked the 4th straight decline in pre-oreders per week.  It had less than 25K.  To match the pre-order numbers of Halo 3, it will have to gain 650.4K pre-orders in the next 5 weeks.  I highly doubt that will happen.  Something tells me that 8-9 mil may be the Reach's lifetime sales.



 

thismeintiel on 28 June 2010
jarrod said:
thismeintiel said:
jarrod said:
thismeintiel said:

You are right about the previous Prologues not launching this much earlier than the main game.  But, consumers didn't know that would be the case when GT5P released.  Once again, we can look at the corresponding sales of the last Prologue (GT4P) and GT5P.  Now, GT4P was released a year before GT4 released, so let's just look at the sales til then.  VGC only has the Japanese numbers, but by going by these it looks like GT4P sold most copies, if not all, by Week 32.  I would imagine that is the case for all regions.  It also didn't release in America, so I'll just add the American sales of GT5P up to Week 32 (532K) to the total shipped copies of GT4P (1.36 mil).  This gives us ~ 1.89 mil GT4P possibly could of sold (on a MUCH larger install base) if released in America.  By Week 32, GT5P had already sold ~ 2.21 mil.  I think GT5P is a good indication that the GT series is very much alive.

Comparing Prologues is a losing argument because (1) GT4P didn't get a worldwide release, (2) GT4P wasn't the first "Gran Turismo" release on it's system, (3) GT4 came only a year after GT4P, (4) GT4 didn't have a year of online updates following release and (5) GT4P didn't get a heavy amount of hardware bundles.  There's so many differentiating factors that any direct comparison inherently going to be flawed and heavily favoring GT5P.

That last point (5) is also a huge issue if you actually examine Japanese sales (the only region where we have a good idea for the split between bundled and standalone numbers).  GT5P only sold about 250k on it's own, it did another 300k when it was bundled with PS3 hardware, a year later, and at NO extra cost.  Essentially GT5P sold 250k in Japan and SCE gave away another 300k.... that doesn't compare well at all with GT4 in Japan (750k sold) either.  Hell, even GT Tokyo Concept sold 350k in Japan.

1.  I realise it wasn't realeased in America, hence the reason I added GT5P's America sales up til Week 32 to it's total.

2.  Again I realise that, but that could actually go in favor of GT4P, as it had a MUCH larger install base than the PS3 did 2 years ago. 

3.  Yes, which is why I only went to Week 32 for both releases.  We know that GT5 is being released much later than GT5P in comparison, but like I said, initial purchasers didn't know this would be the case.

4 & 5.  How does GT5P getting bundled a year later in Japan have any effect on my argument if I only went out to Week 32?  That's less than 8 months.  If you want to compare Others, we can.  GT4P sold 570K total in Others.  GT5P sold over 1 mil in Others in just 6 weeks.  Now it is true there were bundles, so if you wish we can subtract the PS3 HW sales in those same weeks.  VGC puts this at 517,874.  Which would give the standalone GT5P sales of 510,654K.  Now, this isn't completely fair for GT5P for a couple of reasons.  One, there were standalone PS3 units still being sold, as well as a 2nd "Movie Bundle."  And Second, I know those bundles were for EU, but I am not sure they were released for any other territory within Others.  So, if those are factored in, GT5P was most likely able to sell in 6 weeks ~ the same as GT4P did in about a year.

So my arguments stand.  And if you want to say that GT5P is not a good indication that GT5 will do well, then I would have to say that it shouldn't be used as an indication it will do poorly, either.  Not that you were doing so.

I'm not saying GT5P can't be used as an indication for GT5 sales, I'm saying any direct correlation to GT4P is going to lead to inherently flawed conclusions.  GT5P:GT5 to GT4P:GT4 is not a 1:1 comparison, there are just too many differing variables.

Also, to the installed base argument, actual sales for GT seem to indicated the opposite.  The best selling GT games in every previous generation were also the first GT games released on those platforms (GT1, GT3).  This is why I had mention of GT5P's "first mover" advantage, which I'd argue has likely helped inflate sales to a large degree.

I understand it will never be 1:1, which is why I did as much as I could to help favor GT4P.  Added sales from GT5P to GT4P and only went to Week 32 for GT5P (even while still using GT4P's lifetime sales).  It is strange that the sales seem to be smaller on a larger install base, but then again, it is like that for many games.  It still is in its favor, though.  More gamers means more potential buyers, whether they buy it or not.

I think what inflated sales greatly was the fact that GT5 was delayed for so long.  Some people probably got bored of waiting and decided to take the plunge and buy GT5P to tide them over.  I wasn't one, but I can see why some would.  Then, there are the bundles.  Either way, if GT5 wasn't delayed for so long or there weren't bundles, looking at the numbers I can still see that GT5P would probably  have still outsold GT4P (mostly because of EU).  And given that GT5 is so different from Prologue, as well as peoples' hype is starting to come back, I don't think the delay will hurt it at all.



 

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krixe on 29 June 2010

i saw the title and i lol'd,



yo_john117 on 29 June 2010
mundus6 said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
mundus6 said:
Halo_Reach said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
Halo_Reach said:

lol at ANYONE that thinks  gt5 will outsell Halo Reach...literally LOL


lol at any one who thinks halo reach will outsell Gran Turismo 5


one jan 1st 2011 i will make damn sure to bump this and laugh at you for being delusional, as most playstation fans are...and guess what you will be nowhere to be found, after first week sales of Halo reach top 4 million, which will be enough to eclipse the entire rest of the year for gt5...then Halo reach finishes 2010 with over 7 million which gt5 will NEVER reach...so you will see, and then i will get the last laugh


Not agreeing with your post at all, but Halo Reach week one sales will top 5 million at least.

no they won't

if they launch on mondat then they can but not normally.if games like GTA SAN ANDREAS and MW2 couldn't do it HALO wouldn't

MW2 sold almost 5 million first week on 360 alone. Halo Reach WILL sell more and faster than MW2 (360 version) so yeah 5 million first week at least (or 2nd week depending on how you look at it).

Actually I don't think it will.  Its tracking decently below MW2 right now.



yo_john117 on 29 June 2010
thismeintiel said:
Halo_Reach said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
mundus6 said:
Halo_Reach said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
Halo_Reach said:

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no they won't

if they launch on mondat then they can but not normally.if games like GTA SAN ANDREAS and MW2 couldn't do it HALO wouldn't

check this out, first 2 weeks of Halo Reach, that way it WILL have a full week plus the first partial week, will total 6 million worldwide, I am willing to go out on a pretty big limb and say 9 million worldwide when first week of 2011 reports, what you say to that?

I say check the pre-order charts again.  Last week's report marked the 4th straight decline in pre-oreders per week.  It had less than 25K.  To match the pre-order numbers of Halo 3, it will have to gain 650.4K pre-orders in the next 5 weeks.  I highly doubt that will happen.  Something tells me that 8-9 mil may be the Reach's lifetime sales.

How do you know what Halo 3's pre-orders were in America?   

And even if what you say is true then you must mean 12 weeks and not 5.....and trust me its gonna sell 650k pre-orders in 12 weaks EASY.



algorith on 29 June 2010

 I think Reach will sell a lot more because this is the shooter generation. 



Muffin31190 on 29 June 2010

Oh yeah it definatly, will Gran Turismo is the biggest franchise behind Mario, Final Fantasy, and Grand Theft Auto and thats because they all have more then 5 games on the market. It has a huge chance at beating halo reach ... look i have both the 360 and the PS3 and i wont be buying reach just because ODST was such a huge dissapointment to me and Reach just does not look that appealing to me, but GT5 on the other hand has been a long time coming, will be worth the wait and everyone can be like well its been delayed so long and why has it not come out yet omg im not goin to get it cuz its takin forever .......... dont kid yourself your obviously still interested if you keep checking on when it is coming out. But i think GT5 will be the best selling game on the PS3 let alone out sell halo reach, i mean hell there was a report that said that 40% of the people planning on buying GT5 didnt even own a PS3 now. So yes GT5 will Outsell Reach plain and Simple.