As Dave Halverson said, "Even if Nintendo is keeping gaming alive, so that it will be around in twenty years, that doesn't mean we have to like what they're doing now."

And what are they doing now?  Trying to cash in on the success of New Super Mario Wii by bringing out two 2d platformers in one year. 

They're continually catering to the casuals.  Another E3 another Wii series game.  But where's the new Earthbound game?

Continually pumping out Mario games with  Mario Sports Mix this time around.  But where's a new hardcore series from Nintendo featuring brand new characters and a hardcore adventure?  Nintendo hasn't made a new character as compelling as Kratos, Nico Bellic, or the boy from ICO in twenty years.

Rare and Retro are two different companies.  And the last Rare DKC game was 3d.  So, Retro studios developed their chops making the only core series on Gamecube and Wii from Nintendo for mature gamers to make E rated 2d platformers?

Well Up  was nominated for the Oscar last year.  And this is their only Toy Story movie in ten years.  Let's see Nintendo try that with Zelda, Mario, and the Wii Series games.

I am not competing with Rol in any way.  We both do our own thing, and I have the highest respect for him and his threads.

I've done my best ot ignore this tiade throughout the topic, but Shigesato Itoi isn't itnerested in making a Mother 4. They can't make one without him. He's the whole reason the series works. There will never be a Mother 4 unless he changes his mind.  Trying to blame Nintendo for the whims of a man who doesn't work for them is ridiculous.

creating joke threads is living in the past. like who took this shit serious?

Still, why does there have to be new Mario and new Wii series game announced at each new E3 and not a new core game with a brand new character that's as cool as Nathan Drake or Marcus Fenix?

Sony has put Uncharted, Infamous, Resistance,  Heavy Rain, Sorcery, Folklore, Heavenly Sword --many new core ips out there this gen.

God, just... just stop. You don't even try to know what you're talking about in reference to Nintendo.

You're confusing series with intellectual property. Mario and Mario Kart arre separate series, even if thhey both share the Mario moniker. Shit, 3D Mario and 2D Mario are different series, too, with inherently different mechanics and levels of appeal, the latter illustrated irrefutably by sales differences.

Secondly, I'm going to ask you what I asked another guy about Kirby Epic Yarn:

Are you telling me that if they took this very unique visual design and very unique tie-in to play mechanics that the visual design has, but then applied it to some new mascot, you wouldn't have a problem with the game? Does the freshness and uniqueness of the game matter less than the character you play as? How do you reconcile this view with a medium where every meaningful classification is determined by mechanics?

Lastly, you have no idea what kind of new IPs Nintendo has created this gen alone.

And this list is not definitive.

Nintendo has been responsible for more new IPs this gen than either of their competitors, unless yo uwant to pretend that 3rd Party IPs (like Heavy Rain) somehow count for eithe Sony or Microsoft.

//del

I understand the logic, but it is absurd unless you apply it to every game developer who creates game franchises.

The same criticism can be levied at Blizzard for making one too many expansion packs for the World of Warcraft in the process killing off beloved villains such as Kael'thas, Illidan and Arthas. The same can be said for the Call of Duty and Battlefield series whose sequels are the same gameplay just with updated graphics and a different time frame. The same can be said for the Halo series. The same can be said for the Final Fantasy series which for whatever reason, nostalgia mostly, keeps an outdated turn-based combat system.

Game developers whether they are Nintendo or not desire to create cash cows through neverending game franchises.

The only new ips that Nintendo has put out have been Wii Sports and its sequel, Wii Fit and its sequel, Wii Play, Wii Music, and now Wii Party all games aimed squarely at the casuals that don't require any depth as far as storytelling go and that really don't seek to expand gaming as an art form in any way the same thing with Flipnote Studio and the Brain games.

Yeah, I'd be critical of a new 2d game like Epic Yarn featuring a totally new character because it would obviously be an attempt to give gamers another game that they will buy in such numbers as New Super Mario Wii instead of trying to develop a riskier new ip.

If Mario is in it, it's still a Mario game and they've put countless Mario games in all those genres across all of their previous consoles and they've been bringing out one or two a year on Wii.  Instead of trying a new Mario Kart why don't they try to develop their own more complex car game so gamers won't have to buy a 360 or ps3 to get something with the depth of Forza or GT5?

You don't see Sony just putting out sequel after sequel featuring  Jak, Crash, Spyro, Ratchet, or Sly this gen.  Each studio that made those games has tried their hand at something new and for them fresh.