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jarrod on 18 June 2010
steverhcp02 said:

Sony stands to make far more money on making 3D an everyday TERM. They dont need adoption, they simply need people to accept the concept. This doesnt mean adoption, but if people begin accepting that transition, sony has positioned itself as a company at the forefront via their TV's, PS3 and Worldcup not to mention the new advertising with Peyton and Timberlake.

This goes beyond videogames and goes beyond even the next year. Im surprised how jaded and shortsighted some people are. Nintendo, especially at this current time, are so influential to a lot of demographics especially on a technology front as a lot mor epeople will pay attention to where they choose to innovate based on the success of Wii and to a lesser extent the DS. Because of their visionary past, the fact theyr eembracing 3d tech, regardless of glasses or not, will immediately give 3D credibility.

Well, the inherent problem there is that Nintendo's already taken a very antagonistic stance in what sort of 3D they feel is "credible", specifically taking a strong position that 3D glasses are antiquated, expensive and ultimately unnecessary.  Going by the conference, it's rather clear this is going to be a keystone in their 3DS marketing and promotion. Like you said, Nintendo is hugely influential, and if the general public adopts a similar position, it's going to spoil Sony's roadmap.

Sony isn't selling 3D as a concept, just as they didn't sell gaming (PlayStation) as a concept.  They're selling their 3D, which involves new televisions and glasses. There's clear distinctions here, and clear competition on the horizon...



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Wagram on 18 June 2010

So you bitch if they say mean things, and you bitch that they didn't say mean things. Oh how intelligence has fallen....



steverhcp02 on 18 June 2010
Alic0004 said:
Onyxmeth said:

I don't think Sony's that pleased by it. I'm sure they would have rather gotten a 3DS-like PSP out first and not merely been pleased with trying to piggyback Nintendo's 3D success into getting a slightly faster adoption rate on 3D TVs, 3D games, etc. This could potentially kill their handheld business. It could even set back glass wearing 3D if people are so settled into the 3DS and it's games/movies that they don't want to go back to wearing glasses for such ludicrous prices.


I actually think Sony might be pleased about this.  It's pretty much a toss up whether this is going to help 3D theater stuff or not.  Nintendo can say "glasses are lame" to try to offset the help they're giving other kinds of 3D, but in the end trends aren't set by what Nintendo decrees, they're set by what Nintendo does.  The enemy of home theater 3D is going to be the price of the new TVs and the ridiculous price tag on those glasses more than anything else.

    Also, there was an interview two days ago with Peter Dille or some other suit from Sony in which they basically said handheld 3D hasn't been tested in the market yet, and they're not willing to support it until they can see it's going to be succesful.  Realistically, I think Sony is happy to let Nintendo try things first and then move in afterward and try to out-spec them. 

Actually, I think this illustrates a huge difference between the two companies.  Sony thinks more like a corporation, while Nintendo thinks more like a developer.  Something like a handheld with glasses-free 3D sounds amazing to most people who play games, but to Sony, it's "untested" and too risky simply because there's no market data on it -- they think in terms of market trends.  Nintendo, on the other hand, is much more able to think like a gamer even when they're making hardware, which is what game developers have to do to make things that are relevant.  Nintendo doesn't let market analysis lead the way -- they're willing to jump in and bring what actually excites them.  (Which is not to say they don't also reference market data.)

 


That pretty much sums up my thoughts as well. I think a lot of people here get so caught up in this single division of Sony and for some reason think these CEO's live in this bubble we do on a videogame forum, and treat these types of comments as if the CEO's are fanboys or something.

The PSP is dwindling, Sony knows this, they are already getting slaughtered by the DS WW, so if the 3DS takes off like crazy, how does this hurt sony? They havent announced a competitor for it, they wont have one on th emarket, its not like its going to steal PSP sales at this point?

The only thing the 3DS can do to effect Sony at this point in the generation is give legitimacy to 3D gaming, regardless of peripherals. I've been saying the best thing about the 3DS to me, is the fact such an influential company like Nintendo is embracing the technology, im astonished people are failing to realize how important this is in the grand scheme of things.




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snfr on 18 June 2010

It's always a bit funny to see that many Ninty fans don't believe anything Sony says but would believe everything Nintendo says on the other hand. But I don't want to talk about that point now...

I think Sony is pleased because they will see if it appeals to the mass market. They saw that regarding motion controls and they will see that regarding 3D on handhelds. And I don't even know why it's bad to copy something that works quite well.



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steverhcp02 on 18 June 2010
jarrod said:
steverhcp02 said:

Sony stands to make far more money on making 3D an everyday TERM. They dont need adoption, they simply need people to accept the concept. This doesnt mean adoption, but if people begin accepting that transition, sony has positioned itself as a company at the forefront via their TV's, PS3 and Worldcup not to mention the new advertising with Peyton and Timberlake.

This goes beyond videogames and goes beyond even the next year. Im surprised how jaded and shortsighted some people are. Nintendo, especially at this current time, are so influential to a lot of demographics especially on a technology front as a lot mor epeople will pay attention to where they choose to innovate based on the success of Wii and to a lesser extent the DS. Because of their visionary past, the fact theyr eembracing 3d tech, regardless of glasses or not, will immediately give 3D credibility.

Well, the inherent problem there is that Nintendo's already taken a very antagonistic stance in what sort of 3D they feel is "credible", specifically taking a strong position that 3D glasses are antiquated, expensive and ultimately unnecessary.  Going by the conference, it's rather clear this is going to be a keystone in their 3DS marketing and promotion. Like you said, Nintendo is hugely influential, and if the general public adopts a similar position, it's going to spoil Sony's roadmap.

Sony isn't selling 3D as a concept, just as they didn't sell gaming (PlayStation) as a concept.  They're selling their 3D, which involves new televisions and glasses. There's clear distinctions here, and clear competition on the horizon...


I disagree. The huge battle isnt convincing people to enjoy 3D via glasses or sans glasses. Its convincing people 3D is legitimate enough to invest in safely.

The battle here isnt about distinction in 3d tech, by implying or inferring the 3ds technology on a 3.5 inch screen is going to spoil sonys roadmap due to lack of accessories, you are also implying 3D cinema will be stunted due to this as well?

Im not so sure consumers are as stupid as you seem to be implying by saying once they experience a 3.5 inch screen in 3d, theyll all of a sudden expect or demand the same on a 55 inch TV.

3D TV's are expensive, but they are relatively priced well compared to regular flatpanel televisions, i recently had this debate and the 55 inch samsun can be purchased for a rather inexpensive price via amazon.com......LCD/Plasma adoption is at the point where theres still a lot of room for growth in penetration and thses companies make a good point to have new adopters opt for 3D, and old adopters may be in th emarket for an upgrade.

The problem with 3D has never really been price or the glasses like some people want to complain about, its been about making it an accepted standard, the 3DS takes a large step towards that.




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jarrod on 18 June 2010
steverhcp02 said:
jarrod said:
steverhcp02 said:

Sony stands to make far more money on making 3D an everyday TERM. They dont need adoption, they simply need people to accept the concept. This doesnt mean adoption, but if people begin accepting that transition, sony has positioned itself as a company at the forefront via their TV's, PS3 and Worldcup not to mention the new advertising with Peyton and Timberlake.

This goes beyond videogames and goes beyond even the next year. Im surprised how jaded and shortsighted some people are. Nintendo, especially at this current time, are so influential to a lot of demographics especially on a technology front as a lot mor epeople will pay attention to where they choose to innovate based on the success of Wii and to a lesser extent the DS. Because of their visionary past, the fact theyr eembracing 3d tech, regardless of glasses or not, will immediately give 3D credibility.

Well, the inherent problem there is that Nintendo's already taken a very antagonistic stance in what sort of 3D they feel is "credible", specifically taking a strong position that 3D glasses are antiquated, expensive and ultimately unnecessary.  Going by the conference, it's rather clear this is going to be a keystone in their 3DS marketing and promotion. Like you said, Nintendo is hugely influential, and if the general public adopts a similar position, it's going to spoil Sony's roadmap.

Sony isn't selling 3D as a concept, just as they didn't sell gaming (PlayStation) as a concept.  They're selling their 3D, which involves new televisions and glasses. There's clear distinctions here, and clear competition on the horizon...


I disagree. The huge battle isnt convincing people to enjoy 3D via glasses or sans glasses. Its convincing people 3D is legitimate enough to invest in safely.

The battle here isnt about distinction in 3d tech, by implying or inferring the 3ds technology on a 3.5 inch screen is going to spoil sonys roadmap due to lack of accessories, you are also implying 3D cinema will be stunted due to this as well?

Im not so sure consumers are as stupid as you seem to be implying by saying once they experience a 3.5 inch screen in 3d, theyll all of a sudden expect or demand the same on a 55 inch TV.

3D TV's are expensive, but they are relatively priced well compared to regular flatpanel televisions, i recently had this debate and the 55 inch samsun can be purchased for a rather inexpensive price via amazon.com......LCD/Plasma adoption is at the point where theres still a lot of room for growth in penetration and thses companies make a good point to have new adopters opt for 3D, and old adopters may be in th emarket for an upgrade.

The problem with 3D has never really been price or the glasses like some people want to complain about, its been about making it an accepted standard, the 3DS takes a large step towards that.

3D as an entertainment concept doesn't need to be proven.  Avatar did it already.

If Nintendo defines what consumer level 3D is, basically if Nintendo "sets the standard", it locks out Sony (and others btw) almost immediately.  It's so apparent, so basic, I'm a little surprised you're seriously arguing against it?



steverhcp02 on 18 June 2010

@Jarrod

I dont see how Avatar made 3d a standard everyday. People can go to the cinema and fork over an extra 3 bucks thats easy, its convincing them its worthy of being used in their homes. Terrible analogy.

Im argueing against it because you seem to believe that if someone experiences 3d on a mobile device with a 3.5 inch screen they will all of sudden expect the same experience on a 55 inch screen in their home or on a 50 foot cinema screen.

3DS will not set any consumer standard because its a 3DS, its a 3.5 inch screen that people use to play videogames. I also said Sony isnt "pleased" because all of a sudden people will go buy all their 3D stuff for home theaters, the fact a company like Nintendo is embracing 3D is good overall for the market in the long term

I'm argueing against it because i firmly believe people are not as idiotic as youre implying, assuming they will expect a similar 3D experience on their 3DS as in their living rooms given the very different variables. 




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kaneada on 18 June 2010
LoveGenie said:

I agree, it's good to have other companies like Nintendo pushing 3D even if it is competing with their PSP. This helps Sony out in the Console department!


Yeah, I don't get the implication that Sony is actually angered by this. I believe they ment the statement they made. Logically it makes sense that more than just Sony is promoting 3D tech and the pleasure they take in it. Everyone can maintain the right to complain that 3D in home is expensive now, but the prices will fall as the market saturates. If the 3DS sells well it can only mean good things for Sony, as it will drive the technology and Sony will be given more room to develop cheaper solutions.

We all know that TV's that can do what the 3DS can do are coming and the quickier the technology saturates, the quicker the price falls, and the quicker everyone gets to play in 3D, cheaply, wihout glasses, and on a 60" screen. Sony has a vested interest in Nintendo's success, because it ensures their success.



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Acevil on 18 June 2010
Wagram said:

So you bitch if they say mean things, and you bitch that they didn't say mean things. Oh how intelligence has fallen....


Pretty much, but really you have to wonder if they are pleased at all. They have a lot of ground to cover with the next psp. 

I bitch when sony says retarded things....like the two job statement!



 

kaneada on 18 June 2010
steverhcp02 said:

@Jarrod

I dont see how Avatar made 3d a standard everyday. People can go to the cinema and fork over an extra 3 bucks thats easy, its convincing them its worthy of being used in their homes. Terrible analogy.

Im argueing against it because you seem to believe that if someone experiences 3d on a mobile device with a 3.5 inch screen they will all of sudden expect the same experience on a 55 inch screen in their home or on a 50 foot cinema screen.

3DS will not set any consumer standard because its a 3DS, its a 3.5 inch screen that people use to play videogames. I also said Sony isnt "pleased" because all of a sudden people will go buy all their 3D stuff for home theaters, the fact a company like Nintendo is embracing 3D is good overall for the market in the long term

I'm argueing against it because i firmly believe people are not as idiotic as youre implying, assuming they will expect a similar 3D experience on their 3DS as in their living rooms given the very different variables. 

I have to disagree. There aren't that many differences between a 3.5 inch screen using that technology and a 60" inch screen. Cost is the major factor. Simply put, 3DS will set the standard for what people buy in their homes as that technology becomes available. The only other factor is whether or not the 3DS will be well recieved, which if E3 is any indication, it will be. The only potential detriment is if the cost of the device is more than people are willing to pay. Nintendo will drive desire and Sony will drive the technology.



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