yeah, kinect is a bad idea on so many levels...

- 360 crowd is young hardcore gamers (especially shooters fans), the exact opposite of the Wii crowd... They're risking losing them a lot quicker than they gain a new crowd...

- 150 ms lag reported (vs 22 ms on move) : which serious game can you play with 150 ms lag ??

- 150 $ seriously, nobody will buy it at that price ? Not me, not my friends either, not my mother.

- every game is a "Wii Too". Kinectimals = Nintendogs / Eyepet, Kinect Sports = Wii Sports, dancing games and so on...

- zero core game (of course there is NO core experience you can make without controller... don't start me on faking a wheel with your hands on Forza, you know the precision is ZERO... 150 ms lag would kill it anyway)

- you must stand up while using it (what were they thinking ? who doesn't sit when he plays or watches movies ? lol)

It just doesn't work. It's a pure financial suicide from MS point, seriously.

And the PS3 crowd is what exactly?  The whole point of this is to expand their core userbase, not to replace it.

If you watched the Sony Move demo the lag was almost exactly the same as Kinect, 22ms is just the internal processing.  Watch the golf demo and tell me there isn't a delay from when he swings to when you see it happen on screen.

Also, Killzone 2 has 150ms lag (with a controller!) and as far as I've heard people were able to play it.

Proof: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-lag-factor-article

The price is rumoured and as you've already been told in this thread but chose to ignore, if you don't have a PS Eye camera already then Move will already cost you almost as much ($130) for 1 person and significantly more if you want to play with friends.

Sony Move launch titles - EyePet = Nintendogs / Sports Champions = Wii Sports / Singstar Dance etc

Fable III will be Kinect enabled, it just wasn't shown.  It's still really early, dev kits were only sent out a year ago.  They will come.

Already confirmed as BS by Microsoft.

From Aaron Greenburgs Twitter - "@hasanahmad @sixokay Yes you can sit or stand with Kinect, depends on the game or experience."

Seriously, your trolling needs work.  Try harder!

Man, how come all your rebuttals are just "well sony did it too". It's not a sony vs. microsoft thing. It's just a criticism of microsoft....and I wouldn't take an evasively worded tweet as confirmation that Kinect does indeed work flawlessly if you're sitting. 

I guess this should be posted here as this doesn't seem to be widely reported at the moment...

http://uk.xbox360.ign.com/articles/109/1099085p1.html

#3:

"Right now, Kinect only works when you stand. This includes menu navigation. All the cool options to grab a slider and advance through frames of a movie you are watching only work when you are on your feet. Kinect, we've been told, has problems handling your skeletal frame while sitting. The voice commands still work, but every game we've seen and even simple menu navigation have to be done with you out of your seat. That's not exactly how I want to watch my movies. If the focus for Kinect is creating games like Dance Central that naturally would require you to be off your couch, that's great. But I have to say, no one thinks "I am driving a car!" while standing up in their living room."

yeah, kinect is a bad idea on so many levels...

- 360 crowd is young hardcore gamers (especially shooters fans), the exact opposite of the Wii crowd... They're risking losing them a lot quicker than they gain a new crowd...

True! Hannah Montana PSP bundle was the end for the PSP.

- 150 ms lag reported (vs 22 ms on move) : which serious game can you play with 150 ms lag ??

I heard that Killzone 2 was very playable and so was GTA IV and many other titles.

- 150 $ seriously, nobody will buy it at that price ? Not me, not my friends either, not my mother.

Kevin Butler was very nice to tell you the price of the Kinect peripheral when he came back from the future, pew pew!

- every game is a "Wii Too". Kinectimals = Nintendogs / Eyepet, Kinect Sports = Wii Sports, dancing games and so on...

Don't work up too much of a sweat trying to tell them apart.

- zero core game (of course there is NO core experience you can make without controller... don't start me on faking a wheel with your hands on Forza, you know the precision is ZERO... 150 ms lag would kill it anyway)

Didn't you get the memo? Casual is the new core.

- you must stand up while using it (what were they thinking ? who doesn't sit when he plays or watches movies ? lol)

Mistakes do happen. Obviously Microsoft employees were so excited by Kinect that they never managed to sit down and use it.

It just doesn't work. It's a pure financial suicide from MS point, seriously.

Thats ok. In my opinion the PS2 didn't work as a gaming machine and that managed to sell over 100M.