Oh, I wasn't disagreeing with you about how we shouldn't generalize an entire genre because of one game, because I also think that as well, that's what I said on my first post . I was just pointing out that particular series (Elder Scrolls) of WRPGs are known for being very buggy

I know that it's difficult sometimes to adapt to the very polar differences between both RPG classifications. It reminded me when I started playing Oblivion in 2007. At that same time I was playing SMT: DDS2, so I was juggling between both. The difference between both is staggering, yet, I loved going between both games. Kinda puts the entire genre in perspective

Oh, no no no.

Connotation is the implied meaning, which is what you do everyday.

Definition is the prim and proper meaning.

For example, connotations give differing degrees to similar words.

With only definitions, tiny and small would be the same word.

However, the connotations of the words say that something tiny is smaller than something small.

Understand?

What if I believed that small was smaller than tiny? Just because it means one thing to you, it could mean a completely different thing to me. This is why I go by definitions, especially when discussing something as technical as this.

Listen, it's clear that we have different ideas of what classifies an RPG. Since you're using connotations, JRPGs are RPGs. Since I'm using definitions, they are not. Since we're not going to convince each other, let's just drop it. All we've done is restate the same points over and over again anyway.

Still, it is my belief that JRPGs should never have been called such in the first place, in which case the connotation would not exist.

Whatever FFXIII wanted to be, I liked it.

Now you're being stubborn.

The connotation comes from the consensus of the what the word implies.

RPGs have a connotation that follows what I said and what the majority of other gamers believe as well. Connotations are what are used in normal English, not the definition. People identify more with connotation.

Just as well, the connotation of an RPG is what I stated explicitly. You can't stamp your feet and say connotations are wrong, that's what everyone believes them to be. So stop trying to dismiss a connotation's validity to prove your point.

I do have a tendency to be pretty damn stubborn.

Like I said, you have your beliefs, I have mine. I'm not gonna force mine on you, and I'd appreciate it if you'd do the same. 

I can't say a connotation is wrong because there is no right. The same thing can have a thousand different meanings to a thousand different people. 

If everyone believes it to be true, then what am I, nobody? I'm sure that there are just as many defenders on my stance as there are of yours. 

Also, if you're definition of an RPG is correct, than Modern Warfare 2 as much or more of an RPG than Oblivion.

EVERYONE follows connotation. Even you. 

I am not forcing my beliefs, I am telling you that you are wrong. How hard is this to accept?

CONNOTATIONS are what are accepted about what a word means!  Enormous has a different connotation from big, and if you deny this, you're just being an ass whose trying to validate his own argument by putting up strawmen.

"I am sure I have just as many defenders."

WRONG. The connotation is the implication of a word. Implication comes from what the consensus of the population assumes it to be. That's what an implication is! And therefore, the majority of people use connotations. They have a generally agreed upon meaning, and if you disagree with this, you are incorrect.

Also, Modern Warfare 2 has the elements of an RPG. How hard is this to understand? It isn't an RPG, just has elements of it.

Yes, I follow connotation, I never said I didn't.

You are forcing your beliefs, because I do not believe that I am wrong, because I'm not. We are both right, but only by our own definitions. 

Enormous does have a different connotation than big, but they are essentially the same thing. I fail to see how this relates to RPGs.

So if I live in Nazi Germany, and I disagree that Jews are evil, then I am wrong? IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW!!!!

MY POINT IS that you're trying to dismiss my statement due to the fact it isn't the definition of what RPGs are. It's its connotation. But that's what it is, do not try and deny this.

Modern Warfare 2 has the exact same elements of an RPG as Oblivion according to your definition. It's either one or the other. In one sentence you define it as one, then in the next you deny that it is. By my definition it is not an RPG, but by yours it is.

I really do not know about the battle system of the Elder Scrolls series.