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kerrak said:
Smashchu2 said:
CGI-Quality said:

I still don't see how Nintendo's strategy, game plan, etc, etc.... has anything to do with this thread, at all.

OT though, some interesting E3 Sony predictions:

http://playstationlifestyle.net/2010/06/06/sony-e3-2010-predictions/

Because Nintendo's game plan is to whipe Sony off the face of the map. I think that is quite relevant to Sony.

Your analysis tools are outdated. Nintendo is the one facing high pressure competition right now and in the near future. They have already touched the ceiling, at least in market share terms.

Move and Natal are real threats for them. iPad iPhone and iWhatever are real threats. Facebook and social gaming are real threats too.

In order to whipe Sony (or MS) off the face of the map, tell me: what does Nintendo have prepared for the Halo/COD/Killzone crowd ? What do they have for the GT5/Forza crowd? What are graphic "horse" going to admire on Nintendo? What are the Sandbox GTA/RDR/Inf/AC crowd going to play on Nintendo? And what about those gamers looking for more cinematic experiences HR/AW/Uncharted/MGS? Talk me about the best WRPG on Nintendo: ME? DS? FO? Something to please this crowd? And what about the number 1 JRPG (in market terms) FF?

Face it, Nintendo's dominance is EXTREMELY BORING. They are a great company with a nice market share, but looking for the last 3 years to WiiSports WiiFit WiiSportsPlus WiiFitPlus SuperMarioThis SuperMarioThat every week in the top of the charts is not what i want to see as a gamer. Is this what you want?

The problem with your perspective is you believe the gaming world revolves around the hardcore gamer. It doesn't. The most consumers in the gaming market are the expanded audience, (the non gamers and ex gamers), which is what Nintendo is getting FIRST. This is how Nintendo established a groundwork to go after these companies, by building on an audience that no competition is touching.

Now that they have gone for the largest market and won them over, the one MS and Sony have failed to recognise, look for Nintendo to start moving upmarket, that is, moving in on the core market. It is no coincidence that Nintendo's next handheld is 3D, when the very thing Sony is priding themselves on pioneering right now is 3D gaming. Look at the big games released on Wii this year, mostly core titles, few "casual" titles. Look at the big marketing push for Monster Hunter Tri, look at the teaming up with Team Ninja for a new Metroid game. Look at the potential remake of Goldeneye by Activision. Look at Zelda Wii, which will use Motion Plus. They are beginning to move upmarket.

Natal, and especially Move, are not so much an offensive against Nintendo, but rather, a DEFENSIVE move to keep the core on THEIR consoles. If Nintendo wins over the core with motion controls (as Zelda may do), then it is over for Sony and MS. These companies know what is happening, and they are responding.

If Nintendo was playing the defensive role as you seem to imply, we would be seeing a Wii HD, and certainly no Move from Sony.



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Smashchu2 said:
kerrak said:
Smashchu2 said:
CGI-Quality said:

I still don't see how Nintendo's strategy, game plan, etc, etc.... has anything to do with this thread, at all.

OT though, some interesting E3 Sony predictions:

http://playstationlifestyle.net/2010/06/06/sony-e3-2010-predictions/

Because Nintendo's game plan is to whipe Sony off the face of the map. I think that is quite relevant to Sony.

Your analysis tools are outdated. Nintendo is the one facing high pressure competition right now and in the near future. They have already touched the ceiling, at least in market share terms.

Move and Natal are real threats for them. iPad iPhone and iWhatever are real threats. Facebook and social gaming are real threats too.

In order to whipe Sony (or MS) off the face of the map, tell me: what does Nintendo have prepared for the Halo/COD/Killzone crowd ? What do they have for the GT5/Forza crowd? What are graphic "horse" going to admire on Nintendo? What are the Sandbox GTA/RDR/Inf/AC crowd going to play on Nintendo? And what about those gamers looking for more cinematic experiences HR/AW/Uncharted/MGS? Talk me about the best WRPG on Nintendo: ME? DS? FO? Something to please this crowd? And what about the number 1 JRPG (in market terms) FF?

Face it, Nintendo's dominance is EXTREMELY BORING. They are a great company with a nice market share, but looking for the last 3 years to WiiSports WiiFit WiiSportsPlus WiiFitPlus SuperMarioThis SuperMarioThat every week in the top of the charts is not what i want to see as a gamer. Is this what you want?

First off, Apple is not a threat to Nintendo. They aren't even in the same market. iPhone is a smartphone. I can play games, yes, but it is not bought for the same purpose as a DS. iPhones are bought to call people as well as preform other task. It is not a dedicated gaming device, thus, games are only an extra feature. There have been games on cell phone long before the DS, so I don't know why people think a phone is a threat to a gaming company now. The same goes for other "i" products.

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if it plays games it competes.  hell, i took a two week trip to china and brough both my ds and my iphone.  i played a lot of iphone games and never opened my ds.  the part where my iphone was also my phone, gps, and smaller in size just made it a more convient device.  i ended up not even buying a psp like i orginally intended because i relized the iphone is just waay too convienient.  sorry bud...iphone is competing.  maybe not dominating but it's there and it's stealing dollars away from other devices.



kitler53 said:
Smashchu2 said:
kerrak said:
Smashchu2 said:
CGI-Quality said:

I still don't see how Nintendo's strategy, game plan, etc, etc.... has anything to do with this thread, at all.

OT though, some interesting E3 Sony predictions:

http://playstationlifestyle.net/2010/06/06/sony-e3-2010-predictions/

Because Nintendo's game plan is to whipe Sony off the face of the map. I think that is quite relevant to Sony.

Your analysis tools are outdated. Nintendo is the one facing high pressure competition right now and in the near future. They have already touched the ceiling, at least in market share terms.

Move and Natal are real threats for them. iPad iPhone and iWhatever are real threats. Facebook and social gaming are real threats too.

In order to whipe Sony (or MS) off the face of the map, tell me: what does Nintendo have prepared for the Halo/COD/Killzone crowd ? What do they have for the GT5/Forza crowd? What are graphic "horse" going to admire on Nintendo? What are the Sandbox GTA/RDR/Inf/AC crowd going to play on Nintendo? And what about those gamers looking for more cinematic experiences HR/AW/Uncharted/MGS? Talk me about the best WRPG on Nintendo: ME? DS? FO? Something to please this crowd? And what about the number 1 JRPG (in market terms) FF?

Face it, Nintendo's dominance is EXTREMELY BORING. They are a great company with a nice market share, but looking for the last 3 years to WiiSports WiiFit WiiSportsPlus WiiFitPlus SuperMarioThis SuperMarioThat every week in the top of the charts is not what i want to see as a gamer. Is this what you want?

First off, Apple is not a threat to Nintendo. They aren't even in the same market. iPhone is a smartphone. I can play games, yes, but it is not bought for the same purpose as a DS. iPhones are bought to call people as well as preform other task. It is not a dedicated gaming device, thus, games are only an extra feature. There have been games on cell phone long before the DS, so I don't know why people think a phone is a threat to a gaming company now. The same goes for other "i" products.

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if it plays games it competes.  hell, i took a two week trip to china and brough both my ds and my iphone.  i played a lot of iphone games and never opened my ds.  the part where my iphone was also my phone, gps, and smaller in size just made it a more convient device.  i ended up not even buying a psp like i orginally intended because i relized the iphone is just waay too convienient.  sorry bud...iphone is competing.  maybe not dominating but it's there and it's stealing dollars away from other devices.

PC play games, but we have never said that PCs are harming sales of consoles. People buy PCs for different reasons then they buy consoles. They also buy cell phones for different reasons. They are not compairable because the consumers doesn't go "Hmmm, should I buy a DS or a cell phone?" They would go "Do I want a X cell phone or an iPhone." They are different markets.



Cross-X said:

CAN'T WAIT!!!

Versus XIII PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!


THIS!

PLEASE SONY SHOW IT NOW!

@CGI & Smashchu

come on guys...



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Smashchu2 said:
kitler53 said:
Smashchu2 said:
kerrak said:
Smashchu2 said:
CGI-Quality said:

I still don't see how Nintendo's strategy, game plan, etc, etc.... has anything to do with this thread, at all.

OT though, some interesting E3 Sony predictions:

http://playstationlifestyle.net/2010/06/06/sony-e3-2010-predictions/

Because Nintendo's game plan is to whipe Sony off the face of the map. I think that is quite relevant to Sony.

Your analysis tools are outdated. Nintendo is the one facing high pressure competition right now and in the near future. They have already touched the ceiling, at least in market share terms.

Move and Natal are real threats for them. iPad iPhone and iWhatever are real threats. Facebook and social gaming are real threats too.

In order to whipe Sony (or MS) off the face of the map, tell me: what does Nintendo have prepared for the Halo/COD/Killzone crowd ? What do they have for the GT5/Forza crowd? What are graphic "horse" going to admire on Nintendo? What are the Sandbox GTA/RDR/Inf/AC crowd going to play on Nintendo? And what about those gamers looking for more cinematic experiences HR/AW/Uncharted/MGS? Talk me about the best WRPG on Nintendo: ME? DS? FO? Something to please this crowd? And what about the number 1 JRPG (in market terms) FF?

Face it, Nintendo's dominance is EXTREMELY BORING. They are a great company with a nice market share, but looking for the last 3 years to WiiSports WiiFit WiiSportsPlus WiiFitPlus SuperMarioThis SuperMarioThat every week in the top of the charts is not what i want to see as a gamer. Is this what you want?

First off, Apple is not a threat to Nintendo. They aren't even in the same market. iPhone is a smartphone. I can play games, yes, but it is not bought for the same purpose as a DS. iPhones are bought to call people as well as preform other task. It is not a dedicated gaming device, thus, games are only an extra feature. There have been games on cell phone long before the DS, so I don't know why people think a phone is a threat to a gaming company now. The same goes for other "i" products.

...

if it plays games it competes.  hell, i took a two week trip to china and brough both my ds and my iphone.  i played a lot of iphone games and never opened my ds.  the part where my iphone was also my phone, gps, and smaller in size just made it a more convient device.  i ended up not even buying a psp like i orginally intended because i relized the iphone is just waay too convienient.  sorry bud...iphone is competing.  maybe not dominating but it's there and it's stealing dollars away from other devices.

PC play games, but we have never said that PCs are harming sales of consoles. People buy PCs for different reasons then they buy consoles. They also buy cell phones for different reasons. They are not compairable because the consumers doesn't go "Hmmm, should I buy a DS or a cell phone?" They would go "Do I want a X cell phone or an iPhone." They are different markets.

of course PC games compete with consoles.  when i was playing WoW i didn't buy a console game for 3 straight years.  after i quit WoW i starting buying thousands of dollars worth of console games a year.

the real question is, i want to buy a game...where do i spend my money?  don't confuse the ability to coexist with a lack of compitition.



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Metallicube said:
kerrak said:
Smashchu2 said:
CGI-Quality said:

I still don't see how Nintendo's strategy, game plan, etc, etc.... has anything to do with this thread, at all.

OT though, some interesting E3 Sony predictions:

http://playstationlifestyle.net/2010/06/06/sony-e3-2010-predictions/

Because Nintendo's game plan is to whipe Sony off the face of the map. I think that is quite relevant to Sony.

Your analysis tools are outdated. Nintendo is the one facing high pressure competition right now and in the near future. They have already touched the ceiling, at least in market share terms.

Move and Natal are real threats for them. iPad iPhone and iWhatever are real threats. Facebook and social gaming are real threats too.

In order to whipe Sony (or MS) off the face of the map, tell me: what does Nintendo have prepared for the Halo/COD/Killzone crowd ? What do they have for the GT5/Forza crowd? What are graphic "horse" going to admire on Nintendo? What are the Sandbox GTA/RDR/Inf/AC crowd going to play on Nintendo? And what about those gamers looking for more cinematic experiences HR/AW/Uncharted/MGS? Talk me about the best WRPG on Nintendo: ME? DS? FO? Something to please this crowd? And what about the number 1 JRPG (in market terms) FF?

Face it, Nintendo's dominance is EXTREMELY BORING. They are a great company with a nice market share, but looking for the last 3 years to WiiSports WiiFit WiiSportsPlus WiiFitPlus SuperMarioThis SuperMarioThat every week in the top of the charts is not what i want to see as a gamer. Is this what you want?

The problem with your perspective is you believe the gaming world revolves around the hardcore gamer. It doesn't. The most consumers in the gaming market are the expanded audience, (the non gamers and ex gamers), which is what Nintendo is getting FIRST. This is how Nintendo established a groundwork to go after these companies, by building on an audience that no competition is touching.

Now that they have gone for the largest market and won them over, the one MS and Sony have failed to recognise, look for Nintendo to start moving upmarket, that is, moving in on the core market. It is no coincidence that Nintendo's next handheld is 3D, when the very thing Sony is priding themselves on pioneering right now is 3D gaming. Look at the big games released on Wii this year, mostly core titles, few "casual" titles. Look at the big marketing push for Monster Hunter Tri, look at the teaming up with Team Ninja for a new Metroid game. Look at the potential remake of Goldeneye by Activision. Look at Zelda Wii, which will use Motion Plus. They are beginning to move upmarket.

Natal, and especially Move, are not so much an offensive against Nintendo, but rather, a DEFENSIVE move to keep the core on THEIR consoles. If Nintendo wins over the core with motion controls (as Zelda may do), then it is over for Sony and MS. These companies know what is happening, and they are responding.

If Nintendo was playing the defensive role as you seem to imply, we would be seeing a Wii HD, and certainly no Move from Sony.

 

Software Totals 2010 2009 2008
Wii 53,410,810 180,021,128 171,796,990
PS3 41,798,113 92,103,286 81,403,563
X360 38,202,119 113,624,072 113,475,685
Software %
Wii 40.0% 46.7% 46.9%
PS3 31.3% 23.9% 22.2%
X360 28.6% 29.5% 30.9%

1. nintendo doesn't even have 50% market.

2. their share would seem to be slipping this year.

*all numbers are vgchartz



im so lucky to own a ps3 , 360 and a gaming pc but im most happy with the ps3 their games are just awesome



I'm pretty sure we know about all or most of Sony's games already, like last years. You can't win E3 without surprises, and Sony can't keep secrets.



I don't need your console war.
It feeds the rich while it buries the poor.
You're power hungry, spinnin' stories, and bein' graphics whores.
I don't need your console war.

NO NO, NO NO NO.

ZenfoldorVGI said:

I'm pretty sure we know about all or most of Sony's games already, like last years. You can't win E3 without surprises, and Sony can't keep secrets.


:S What 'leaks'? THEY ANNOUNCED THEM! @GDC, mags, official blog etc///

geez, this year there has been close to no leaks



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M.U.G.E.N said:
ZenfoldorVGI said:

I'm pretty sure we know about all or most of Sony's games already, like last years. You can't win E3 without surprises, and Sony can't keep secrets.


:S What 'leaks'? THEY ANNOUNCED THEM! @GDC, mags, official blog etc///

geez, this year there has been close to no leaks

Exactly. Which means they have LOTS of surprises left

OR  MOVE will be taking up a lot of time and PSP 2 will be taking up half the show.



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