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hatmoza on 04 June 2010

My heart goes out to the victims' families.

It really is a shame. Innocents and civilians are dying everyday over there, but it takes the killing of over 20 unarmed people from an aid group to finally have people raise  eyebrows.

People are going out there putting there lives on the line to aid those who ares suffering . Some of the comments here are truly inhuman and sickening.



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Kasz216 on 04 June 2010

I... don't even know where to start.  Your living in a fantasy world ignoring the fact that these people are staying in civilian buildings and using people as human shields.

It's on those people for doing that.  Not Israel.

As for them wearing uniforms.

I guess that's why suicide bombers are so easy to spot then eh?  Or why nobody EVERY gets ambushed their by plainclothes people.

Except... both situations happen ALL THE TIME.

With a group like Hamas, they're more then willing to take off their uniforms.

You still haven't named 1 country that doesn't kill civilians.



Mr Khan on 04 June 2010

I will have to point out that expulsion of populations very much was operating procedure after World War II. Ever wonder why, despite Poland's borders changing so much, Poland is to this day almost 100% ethnically Polish?



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NNN2004 on 04 June 2010

meh whatever.



BrayanA on 05 June 2010
ArnoldRimmer said:
MrBubbles said:
[...]

"one of the ships violently attacks the israelis after they legally boarded"
Armed soldiers were invading a humanitarian ship in international waters and without the permission of the ship. There is no legal justification for this, and pretty much every crew would try to defend themselves with whatever they can find if their ship was being attacked.
I know that a ship sailing under the flag of my country is being regarding as sovereign territory of my country if the ship is in international waters. And I suppose that's rather international law than national law, so from a diplomatic point of view, this incident might eventually even be considered as israel invading turkey. I agree that sounds a little far fetched, but just imagine armed iranian soldiers were trying to board and take over a U.S. ship in international waters without permission. The U.S. could easily interpret this as a declaration of war by iran.

...

DO YOU EVER READ WHAT OTHER POST BEFORE YOU!!! VIEW MY POST ONLY FEW STEP BEFORE YOURS!!!


It is legal to attack neutral merchant vessels in international waters acording to International Law (SECTION V : NEUTRAL MERCHANT VESSELS AND CIVIL AIRCRAFT) if they "are believed on reasonable grounds to be carrying contraband or breaching a blockade, and after prior warning they intentionally and clearly refuse to stop, or intentionally and clearly resist visit, search or capture" (See first link). As you can see from the second link: "breaching a blockade" - checked, "prior warning" - checked, "refuse to stop" - checked.
http://www.icrc.org/ihl.nsf/385ec082b509e76c41256739003e636d/7694fe2016f347e1c125641f002d49ce
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6jDIQr59Sk



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BrayanA on 05 June 2010
Badassbab said:

1 ArnoldRimmer

The IDF kills innocent civilians- FACT. Not an opinion but fact. In fact it has killed tens of thousands of innocent civilians since it's creation (Occupied territories and Lebanon). Resorting to massive use of violence is what it's well known for and what it does best when it's policies are challenged whether it's peacfully or violently.

The killing of civilians in this particular incident is unfortunate for Israel as it involves a wide mix of people from all over the world including activists from countries it has diplomatic relations with and members of NATO. This has bought it to major world wide attention.

IDF forces were attacked when they legaly try to board, check my previous post:
4. It is legal to attack neutral merchant vessels in international waters acording to International Law (SECTION V : NEUTRAL MERCHANT VESSELS AND CIVIL AIRCRAFT) if they "are believed on reasonable grounds to be carrying contraband or breaching a blockade, and after prior warning they intentionally and clearly refuse to stop, or intentionally and clearly resist visit, search or capture" (See first link). As you can see from the second link: "breaching a blockade" - checked, "prior warning" - checked, "refuse to stop" - checked.
http://www.icrc.org/ihl.nsf/385ec082b509e76c41256739003e636d/7694fe2016f347e1c125641f002d49ce
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6jDIQr59Sk

As you can see from this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYjkLUcbJWo
they were attacked by the mob on the top deck - so they can not be "innocent civilians". Every police and army can defend if they were attacked. So here the question is when IDF kill the people. If they shoot at them when they attack them - they are not guilty. If they shoot after they surrender - they are guilty. Do you have prove for the second one !!!!!!



mirgro on 05 June 2010
BrayanA said:
Badassbab said:

1 ArnoldRimmer

The IDF kills innocent civilians- FACT. Not an opinion but fact. In fact it has killed tens of thousands of innocent civilians since it's creation (Occupied territories and Lebanon). Resorting to massive use of violence is what it's well known for and what it does best when it's policies are challenged whether it's peacfully or violently.

The killing of civilians in this particular incident is unfortunate for Israel as it involves a wide mix of people from all over the world including activists from countries it has diplomatic relations with and members of NATO. This has bought it to major world wide attention.

IDF forces were attacked when they legaly try to board, check my previous post:
4. It is legal to attack neutral merchant vessels in international waters acording to International Law (SECTION V : NEUTRAL MERCHANT VESSELS AND CIVIL AIRCRAFT) if they "are believed on reasonable grounds to be carrying contraband or breaching a blockade, and after prior warning they intentionally and clearly refuse to stop, or intentionally and clearly resist visit, search or capture" (See first link). As you can see from the second link: "breaching a blockade" - checked, "prior warning" - checked, "refuse to stop" - checked.
http://www.icrc.org/ihl.nsf/385ec082b509e76c41256739003e636d/7694fe2016f347e1c125641f002d49ce
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6jDIQr59Sk

As you can see from this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYjkLUcbJWo
they were attacked by the mob on the top deck - so they can not be "innocent civilians". Every police and army can defend if they were attacked. So here the question is when IDF kill the people. If they shoot at them when they attack them - they are not guilty. If they shoot after they surrender - they are guilty. Do you have prove for the second one !!!!!!

They fucked up because they sent in armed forces on board. Can you tell me what country uses armed forces against unarmed civilian mobs in this day and age?



Kasz216 on 05 June 2010
mirgro said:
BrayanA said:
Badassbab said:

1 ArnoldRimmer

The IDF kills innocent civilians- FACT. Not an opinion but fact. In fact it has killed tens of thousands of innocent civilians since it's creation (Occupied territories and Lebanon). Resorting to massive use of violence is what it's well known for and what it does best when it's policies are challenged whether it's peacfully or violently.

The killing of civilians in this particular incident is unfortunate for Israel as it involves a wide mix of people from all over the world including activists from countries it has diplomatic relations with and members of NATO. This has bought it to major world wide attention.

IDF forces were attacked when they legaly try to board, check my previous post:
4. It is legal to attack neutral merchant vessels in international waters acording to International Law (SECTION V : NEUTRAL MERCHANT VESSELS AND CIVIL AIRCRAFT) if they "are believed on reasonable grounds to be carrying contraband or breaching a blockade, and after prior warning they intentionally and clearly refuse to stop, or intentionally and clearly resist visit, search or capture" (See first link). As you can see from the second link: "breaching a blockade" - checked, "prior warning" - checked, "refuse to stop" - checked.
http://www.icrc.org/ihl.nsf/385ec082b509e76c41256739003e636d/7694fe2016f347e1c125641f002d49ce
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6jDIQr59Sk

As you can see from this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYjkLUcbJWo
they were attacked by the mob on the top deck - so they can not be "innocent civilians". Every police and army can defend if they were attacked. So here the question is when IDF kill the people. If they shoot at them when they attack them - they are not guilty. If they shoot after they surrender - they are guilty. Do you have prove for the second one !!!!!!

They fucked up because they sent in armed forces on board. Can you tell me what country uses armed forces against unarmed civilian mobs in this day and age?

All?



mirgro on 05 June 2010
Kasz216 said:
mirgro said:
BrayanA said:
Badassbab said:

1 ArnoldRimmer

The IDF kills innocent civilians- FACT. Not an opinion but fact. In fact it has killed tens of thousands of innocent civilians since it's creation (Occupied territories and Lebanon). Resorting to massive use of violence is what it's well known for and what it does best when it's policies are challenged whether it's peacfully or violently.

The killing of civilians in this particular incident is unfortunate for Israel as it involves a wide mix of people from all over the world including activists from countries it has diplomatic relations with and members of NATO. This has bought it to major world wide attention.

IDF forces were attacked when they legaly try to board, check my previous post:
4. It is legal to attack neutral merchant vessels in international waters acording to International Law (SECTION V : NEUTRAL MERCHANT VESSELS AND CIVIL AIRCRAFT) if they "are believed on reasonable grounds to be carrying contraband or breaching a blockade, and after prior warning they intentionally and clearly refuse to stop, or intentionally and clearly resist visit, search or capture" (See first link). As you can see from the second link: "breaching a blockade" - checked, "prior warning" - checked, "refuse to stop" - checked.
http://www.icrc.org/ihl.nsf/385ec082b509e76c41256739003e636d/7694fe2016f347e1c125641f002d49ce
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6jDIQr59Sk

As you can see from this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYjkLUcbJWo
they were attacked by the mob on the top deck - so they can not be "innocent civilians". Every police and army can defend if they were attacked. So here the question is when IDF kill the people. If they shoot at them when they attack them - they are not guilty. If they shoot after they surrender - they are guilty. Do you have prove for the second one !!!!!!

They fucked up because they sent in armed forces on board. Can you tell me what country uses armed forces against unarmed civilian mobs in this day and age?

All?

Last time I checked, even black riots back in the 60s were handled by police, and a fire hose. Even that was counted as despicable. Now think of all the times the civilian mobs actually had casualties and the shitstorm it led to. It has probably been 20 years since the world started using riot shields and gas to control unarmed mobs, not bullets. What israel did was just plain retarded.



sad.man.loves.vgc on 05 June 2010

(Reuters) - Nine Turkish activists killed in an Israeli raid on a Gaza-bound aid ship were shot a total of 30 times and five died of gunshot wounds to the head, Britain's Guardian newspaper reported on Friday.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6536MF20100604