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supercat said:
aken909 said:
supercat said:
The world is a market place of ideas and beleifs football fan, and just like politics the "right" of any situation is whatever viewpoint that wins out over time if you want a defnition of ethics that is world-based and utilitarian. And when people are killing others for a flippant attitude, even if towards a sacred beleif, then yes I also find it morally ethical to try to change a culture's beleifs. Less conflict happens that way.

 

 

Supercat I disagree with just about everything you just said.

 

Let me ask you this lets say you like regular milk and I like chocalate milk do you think we should fight to the death to decide which is better then the winner gets to decide which type of milk is the only milk people from that time forward should be able to drink?  And to what end?  Will we have a death match to decide everything in life untill every single person on earth is an automiton with the exact same views as "the leader".

That sounds a lot like Hitlers idea of the world to me.

 

And i'd like to add that humans will always fight and kill one another, even if there were no religion at all humans would still have wars.

you are purposefully misinterpreting me and you keep doing this.  I think that it would be easy to realize that when I am talking about one opinion winning over another that the process would be with words not guns or knives.  Debating with you is highly annoying because of this.

 

No, i'm not. Would my position change if I had said we'll have a debate to decide which type of milk is better?  

Basically as I understand it (based on this statement: "then yes I also find it morally ethical to try to change a culture's beleifs. Less conflict happens that way.") your saying people should force other people to belive as they do in order to provide stability and what I am saying is it's wrong to try to force ones views on anyone else.  And on top of that history has shown that forcing ones views only causes the other side to entrench themselves in there own view even further thus causing more conflict.

 

 



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aken909 said:
supercat said:
aken909 said:
supercat said:
The world is a market place of ideas and beleifs football fan, and just like politics the "right" of any situation is whatever viewpoint that wins out over time if you want a defnition of ethics that is world-based and utilitarian. And when people are killing others for a flippant attitude, even if towards a sacred beleif, then yes I also find it morally ethical to try to change a culture's beleifs. Less conflict happens that way.

 

 

Supercat I disagree with just about everything you just said.

 

Let me ask you this lets say you like regular milk and I like chocalate milk do you think we should fight to the death to decide which is better then the winner gets to decide which type of milk is the only milk people from that time forward should be able to drink?  And to what end?  Will we have a death match to decide everything in life untill every single person on earth is an automiton with the exact same views as "the leader".

That sounds a lot like Hitlers idea of the world to me.

 

And i'd like to add that humans will always fight and kill one another, even if there were no religion at all humans would still have wars.

you are purposefully misinterpreting me and you keep doing this.  I think that it would be easy to realize that when I am talking about one opinion winning over another that the process would be with words not guns or knives.  Debating with you is highly annoying because of this.

 

  And on top of that history has shown that forcing ones views only causes the other side to entrench themselves in there own view even further thus causing more conflict.

 

 

which explains draw mohammed day.  People get pissed about violence and violence as a way to keep people from being critical.  As I've said the west is all about being critical and the muslims are fighting a losing battle if they are taking the violent approach to this. 



supercat said:
aken909 said:
supercat said:
aken909 said:
supercat said:
The world is a market place of ideas and beleifs football fan, and just like politics the "right" of any situation is whatever viewpoint that wins out over time if you want a defnition of ethics that is world-based and utilitarian. And when people are killing others for a flippant attitude, even if towards a sacred beleif, then yes I also find it morally ethical to try to change a culture's beleifs. Less conflict happens that way.

 

 

Supercat I disagree with just about everything you just said.

 

Let me ask you this lets say you like regular milk and I like chocalate milk do you think we should fight to the death to decide which is better then the winner gets to decide which type of milk is the only milk people from that time forward should be able to drink?  And to what end?  Will we have a death match to decide everything in life untill every single person on earth is an automiton with the exact same views as "the leader".

That sounds a lot like Hitlers idea of the world to me.

 

And i'd like to add that humans will always fight and kill one another, even if there were no religion at all humans would still have wars.

you are purposefully misinterpreting me and you keep doing this.  I think that it would be easy to realize that when I am talking about one opinion winning over another that the process would be with words not guns or knives.  Debating with you is highly annoying because of this.

 

  And on top of that history has shown that forcing ones views only causes the other side to entrench themselves in there own view even further thus causing more conflict.

 

 

which explains draw mohammed day.  People get pissed about violence and violence as a way to keep people from being critical.  As I've said the west is all about being critical and the muslims are fighting a losing battle if they are taking the violent approach to this. 

I have to say I fail to see how draw Mohammed day and what I have said are related you need to explain your position better.  

I disagree with the violence in the Muslim world, however I also think it's in pretty poor taste to try to incite them.  I feel people should have the right to have draw Mohammed day, but that doesn't mean they should have a draw Mohammed day.

That said constitutionally I can by law go around to every person I meet and say "I think your an a**hole" but I don't because it's just in poor taste and not surprisingly i'd probably get punched in the face a lot.



Wow I didn't know that Facebook => Farm Vile (doesn't it do more ?)

Well I am kinda disappointed with the Pakistani government taking such a radical and really dumbass move ... seriously when will these people start seeing the populations as individuals with free will ?



Good going Pakistan! Facebook sucks!



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Good Riddance.



Chrizum said:
Good going Pakistan! Facebook sucks!

Agreed



FootballFan said:
 

Is it our right to change their culture though?

We wouldn't like it if they came to our countries and started imposing themselves and establishing their values and beliefs. Could you imagine if Sharia law was brought in? In England where this has been suggested has been mass opposition. Maybe we need to live our lives how we want and them live how they want. If they can't accept freedom of speech then maybe they Pakistan is a place well suited to their narrow minded ignorance.

If a group of people came to the Live Free or Die state (where I live) and tried to increase liberty and help protect my rights, I'd love it.  Please, come and do that.  In fact, there is even a group of people that are moving to where I live just to do that, http://www.freestateproject.org

If people in Pakistan don't like liberty, that makes me sad.  I guess as long as they don't move to where I live and try to throw people in cages for loving liberty and similar stuff I will not freak out, though.

 



 

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FreeTalkLive said:
FootballFan said:
 

Is it our right to change their culture though?

We wouldn't like it if they came to our countries and started imposing themselves and establishing their values and beliefs. Could you imagine if Sharia law was brought in? In England where this has been suggested has been mass opposition. Maybe we need to live our lives how we want and them live how they want. If they can't accept freedom of speech then maybe they Pakistan is a place well suited to their narrow minded ignorance.

If a group of people can to the Live Free or Die state (where I live) and tried to increase liberty and help protect my rights, I'd love it.  Please, come and do that.  In fact, there is even a group of people that are moving to where I live just to do that, http://www.freestateproject.org

If people in Pakistan don't like liberty, that makes me sad.  I guess as long as they don't move to where I live and try to throw people in cages for loving liberty and similar stuff I will not freak out, though.

 

England is to far away from New Hampshire



I have heard in Pakistan many people are heavily discriminated. That is just one more proof of that. Poor Pakistani, how gonna they play Farmville)))?