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TruckOSaurus on 15 May 2010
AbbathTheGrim said:
I won't argue how good she is as a character but I can honestly tell you that she gives you the most badass fight amongst all the FFs. You can level up till 100, you can level up al GFs and she will pick the party members that she wants to fight, she will kill you GFs in a single attack, she will destroy your magic and finally keep you busy for more than 30 minutes. I just beat the last boss of FFXIII and once I digested the ending and the fight, I could only keep thiking about how badass the Ultimecia final fight of FFVIII was. This thread appeared to me today as if called by my subconscience.

All the fights in FFVIII end game are easy. Cast Aura, spam limits, win.



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Johann on 15 May 2010
lestatdark said:
Johann said:

Venat also acomplishes exactly what he set out to do.

I don't consider him too much of a villain though. An antagonist, sure, but not a villain.

 

Venat's motives are completely different from total destruction. 

Venat wanted to go against the will of the Occuria, to give mankind their rightful place in Ivalice, ending the era of the gods (the Ocurrians).

Kefka just wanted to become god itself, if he had to destroy to world to do it, then it didn't matter for him. 

Yes, I know. That's why I said I don't consider him a villain.

Actually his motives were kind of noble. Don't even know why he had to die in the end.

 

Maybe Ashe & co. were the villains.

 



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Riachu on 15 May 2010
Johann said:
lestatdark said:
Johann said:
 

Venat also acomplishes exactly what he set out to do.

I don't consider him too much of a villain though. An antagonist, sure, but not a villain.

 

Venat's motives are completely different from total destruction. 

Venat wanted to go against the will of the Occuria, to give mankind their rightful place in Ivalice, ending the era of the gods (the Ocurrians).

Kefka just wanted to become god itself, if he had to destroy to world to do it, then it didn't matter for him. 

Yes, I know. That's why I said I don't consider him a villain.

Actually his motives were kind of noble. Don't even know why he had to die in the end.

 

Maybe Ashe & co. were the villains.

 

Villians are always evil, antagonists are not always evil but they do oppose the protagonist(s)



 

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lestatdark on 15 May 2010
Johann said:
lestatdark said:
Johann said:
 

Venat also acomplishes exactly what he set out to do.

I don't consider him too much of a villain though. An antagonist, sure, but not a villain.

 

Venat's motives are completely different from total destruction. 

Venat wanted to go against the will of the Occuria, to give mankind their rightful place in Ivalice, ending the era of the gods (the Ocurrians).

Kefka just wanted to become god itself, if he had to destroy to world to do it, then it didn't matter for him. 

Yes, I know. That's why I said I don't consider him a villain.

Actually his motives were kind of noble. Don't even know why he had to die in the end.

 

Maybe Ashe & co. were the villains.

 

Actually, I think that the true villain was Dr. Cid. 

Like Kefka, he wanted the power of Venat for himself, the knowledge of the Ocurria proved too much of a temptation for him. Vayne just got caught in the conquest craze and went along, proving to be a valuable asset for Venat in the end, but nowhere comparable as Cid.  



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Khuutra on 15 May 2010
lestatdark said:
Johann said:

Venat also acomplishes exactly what he set out to do.

I don't consider him too much of a villain though. An antagonist, sure, but not a villain.

 

Venat's motives are completely different from total destruction. 

Venat wanted to go against the will of the Occuria, to give mankind their rightful place in Ivalice, ending the era of the gods (the Ocurrians).

Kefka just wanted to become god itself, if he had to destroy to world to do it, then it didn't matter for him. 

I would argue that you have it backwards with Kefka - he just wanted to kill people and destroy lives, and becoming an all-powerful force of nature was just a means to that end.



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lestatdark on 15 May 2010
Khuutra said:
lestatdark said:
Johann said:

Venat also acomplishes exactly what he set out to do.

I don't consider him too much of a villain though. An antagonist, sure, but not a villain.

 

Venat's motives are completely different from total destruction. 

Venat wanted to go against the will of the Occuria, to give mankind their rightful place in Ivalice, ending the era of the gods (the Ocurrians).

Kefka just wanted to become god itself, if he had to destroy to world to do it, then it didn't matter for him. 

I would argue that you have it backwards with Kefka - he just wanted to kill people and destroy lives, and becoming an all-powerful force of nature was just a means to that end.

Well, if that was indeed his final goal, he could have just completely obliterated the world right? He reveled in the pain and the suffering, what better way than to experience a cataclysm of pain than to become a god of mysery himself? 



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dtewi on 15 May 2010
lestatdark said:
Khuutra said:
lestatdark said:
Johann said:

Venat also acomplishes exactly what he set out to do.

I don't consider him too much of a villain though. An antagonist, sure, but not a villain.

 

Venat's motives are completely different from total destruction. 

Venat wanted to go against the will of the Occuria, to give mankind their rightful place in Ivalice, ending the era of the gods (the Ocurrians).

Kefka just wanted to become god itself, if he had to destroy to world to do it, then it didn't matter for him. 

I would argue that you have it backwards with Kefka - he just wanted to kill people and destroy lives, and becoming an all-powerful force of nature was just a means to that end.

Well, if that was indeed his final goal, he could have just completely obliterated the world right? He reveled in the pain and the suffering, what better way than to experience a cataclysm of pain than to become a god of mysery himself? 

He actually didn't want obliteration, he took happiness in the suffering of others, and simply killing everything at once wouldn't be fun.



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lestatdark on 15 May 2010
dtewi said:
lestatdark said:
Khuutra said:
lestatdark said:
Johann said:

Venat also acomplishes exactly what he set out to do.

I don't consider him too much of a villain though. An antagonist, sure, but not a villain.

 

Venat's motives are completely different from total destruction. 

Venat wanted to go against the will of the Occuria, to give mankind their rightful place in Ivalice, ending the era of the gods (the Ocurrians).

Kefka just wanted to become god itself, if he had to destroy to world to do it, then it didn't matter for him. 

I would argue that you have it backwards with Kefka - he just wanted to kill people and destroy lives, and becoming an all-powerful force of nature was just a means to that end.

Well, if that was indeed his final goal, he could have just completely obliterated the world right? He reveled in the pain and the suffering, what better way than to experience a cataclysm of pain than to become a god of mysery himself? 

He actually didn't want obliteration, he took happiness in the suffering of others, and simply killing everything at once wouldn't be fun.

That's....what I just had said...



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Scoobes on 15 May 2010

Not really. The boss fight was cool at the end but FFVIIIs battle and junction system made everything too easy so even that doesn't work. They introduced her far too late imo. If we'd found out earlier that she'd been manipulating the other sorceresses, there would have been more time to get into her development, to find out what made her so insane and manipulative. Spend less time beating around the bush, introduce her earlier and make us feel how evil she is. Instead, I felt nothing at the end other than "bit of a crazy bitch".

Take Kefka or Sephiroth. Both are introduced much earlier, and both are developed over the full course of the game. We see them do downright evil and malicious acts but we have context for said acts. By the time the final fights come up you want to kill them with a passion.




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