Infact I dont mind it if they defend their console since its their right. But they brought PS3 fans to the point were they admitted they would stay 3rd Place and said things like "I expect Sony to quit the buisness until 2010".


Infact Sony fans had to take a lot in the last years. And now PS3 has undeniably a big chance to overtake Xbox360. Thats the truth. I was teached on this site to accept PS3s third place. I think its time to make clear that at the moment it looks like the PS3s going to make the race and not 360. Since people made tons of calculations in the past years showing its impossible for PS3 to win so now I do my calculations.

Let this kind of topic end already, what is the point making any kind of comeback now? the market is already been determined. Everyone is going Multiplatform it make absolutely no difference which the console is at. Nintendo is #1 with their own way of the market, #2 and #3 both are sharing most of the same content from third party. You'll never see a PS2 senario rather the ps3 will pass the 360 or not. give this tired topic a rest and enjoy the fucking game on each console. if you love gaming just do what I do buy all 3 consoles.

Even I'm crazy about gaming I still will not pay a dime on that rotten Apple sign.

now thats impowerment! i've been on this site (not a member) for 5yr's and saw all of this. but becasue my coments where consider to be fanboy in nature. i wated until the moment i had nothing to argue when it came to the PS3 to become a member. (i read the rules and new i wasn't ready)

Just to clarify a few things.  I also don't think the Arcade 360 is losing any money. Probably at the break even/small profit range.  I believe my price points farthest left (in non-bundled) and farthest right (if bundled) are the more likely ones.

Also, when I say PS3 base model/larger HDD model I simply mean what they have now.  The 120gb is the base, the 250gb is the larger.  I figure they may update HDD size to 250gb and 320/500gb and since they don't have names for the SKU that was the easiest way to describe it.

As to your last point, that's why I see Move and this entire 15 million projection for next fiscal year to be highly overestimated and a huge problem for Sony.  Their bundles won't even be enough to play every game.  If they do include 2 controllers + sub controller that will drastically increase the price of the bundles.  They need to bundle the controllers with the console if they want to maximize install base, but if they do that their prices will be quite a bit higher looking.

It seems like an awful catch-22 that Sony is in.  They can choose to either take a huge loss per console sold and still bundle, or choose to sell the controllers separate to keep the initial console purchase cheap but hurt the install base of the new controllers by quite a bit, too.

i know what you ment when you where talking about the base modle vs larger hdd. i was just saying that wouldn't be viable so we agree on something. realy i agree with all of it.

Sales bumps for sequels will be equal on both systems.

I think once Natal releases, there will be no more Elite standalone systems. MS has said Natal is like a "new" console release, so why sell your old consoles without the addon?

Selling Arcades makes perfect sense tho (banned consoles, RRoD, accidental death, etc). I doubt we will see an Arcade Bundle with Natal.

The biggest question for the 360 is Natal. Will it sell new consoles or just sell a lot of accessories? It will be successful to the current 360 crowd, but will it dominate new customers? I really do not know.

The biggest question for Sony is exclusives. Can they make up the difference? It will really come down to the Americas if Sony is to overtake the 360 by next March.

Natal will rock amongst one-armed gamers http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=109091&page=1, so if there are enough of them around the world, XB360 will win this gen.

PS3 bigger than 360 before the end of 2011? No way.


Have everyone forgot the tick tock phase since 2007? 360 gets a cut in 2008, Sonys hurting in the spring of 2009. Remember the threads from that time, "PS3 dooomed".

Sony strickes back with a solid new hardware revision + a hefty pricecut. Back in the swing and now 1 year since "PS3 is doooomed" we see "360 is dooomed".

2010
Microsoft WILL launch a Slim version. Leaked hardware pcitures tells us before end of 2010. The Arcade SKU WILL be combined with the Natal (Arcade can push margins since it does not bear the heavy cost of HDD).

And never ever ever ever forget the Marketing power of Micrsoft. Look back at the hype of Halo 3, they made people belive that the game was created by god himself and the sales wher e huge compared with the istall base. Loads of games that had long history and equal strong names has been launched on both plattform, on a bigger install base, but none has come up in the same amount (but MW2 will soon).

The Hype that Microsoft is going to build around Natal will make presidents belive that it could save the worlds problems.

A Natal + Arcade slim will be the perfetct competition for Wii. Every day people do not need a hefty HDD, around 1gb internal NAND will do. The move to allow USB memory indicates that Arcade is the focus.

The pricepoint of Natal + Arcade will be good enough to justify to buy a new one a scrap the old one instead of buying Natal stand alone. Low price + new smaller design + Natal = success.

Sorry mate, PS3 will NOT pass 360 in 2011.

hmmm ps3 sells about 130,000 every weeks and 360 sells 90-100,000 so .03 each week...

They will probably never admit its over. Even if the PS3 passes the Xbox 360 it would have taken at least 4 to 5 years to achieve that. Many people are well past caring. It still doesn't stop the PS3 from being one of the biggest failures in the history of game consoles, probably only bested by Atari.

Xbox 360 YTD 2008: 2,116,359

Xbox 360 YTD 2010: 2,505,832

Xbox 360 total 2008: 10,885,116

The Xbox 360s sales are already higher than their peak years sales YTD. Since the majority of the events which would increase the Xbox 360s overall sales coincide with Q4 2010. The only important information is not the relative sales in 2010 but the rate of sales difference during the last 10 weeks of 2010 and going into 2011. We already know that the PS3 has sold extremely well at the start of the year, but the most important difference is always whether Xbox 360 > PS3 or vice versa.

I don't think you can count on Japan as being as decisive this year given the fact that Final Fantasy has already released and they will be getting one or two new handhelds. That leaves the U.S. which tips the scales at the end of the year with a slim majority of sales expected to fall in the Americas region.

Btw: We don't have official projected Xbox 360 sales do we? If the PS3 can do a 4th year peak as a third place console then thats unprecedented enough to say that the Xbox 360 could do a 5th year peak given its sales have remained relatively steady since release.

No it doesn't. A slim console would increase sales just off the novelty alone.

The Natal accessory only has to increase the base sales by a few million over a relatively short space of time to make a decisive impact. Remember the week after E3 last year the Xbox 360 got an increase of 20-30k sales just off the hype from Natal alone. Unlike Move the Natal interface has greater potential because it speaks to markets which are untapped by Nintendo and Sony probably won't even ask a question of them with their even more expensive Move controller that seeks to emulate the Wii.