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Forums - General - BNP would offer non-white Britons £50,000 to leave UK, says Nick Griffin

FootballFan on 01 May 2010
highwaystar101 said:
FootballFan said:
highwaystar101 said:
Carl2291 said:

Well...?

Did he say it, or is it just the usual media word twisting?

He doesn't say "none white" at 4:30 when he is talking about the long term resettlement plan, that part comes just before. If you listen from 3:30 she picks him up on the statistics he uses and shows he means none-white British, so essentially people of foreign lineage.

The resettlement plan is a further development from this conversation about how he has chosen non-white British in his statistics. He does essentially say it will be offered to none white Britons.

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Also, remember, racism isn't just about skin colour, it's about nationality too. When he says non-white British, he means eastern Europeans and the like too.

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And about the doctors part at the end. He says that for his own agenda. He's just using the "they are needed in their own country more" argument as a way of essentially saying "I'm not allowing foreign doctors in". He has been pretty clear on his plans not letting foreign doctors work for the NHS in the past, if a doctor came from somewhere like Israel where they are plentiful, he would still turn them away.


So under your definition(s) Brown saying he wants "British Jobs for British people" was inciting racial hatred? There is nothing wrong with being nationalistic and being proud of your nation. It's a shame that my generation has being brought up by seeing patriotism as been a negative trait...

Wait a minute for me to laugh at that straw man argument... Haha.

Don't accuse me of holding a position that I don't actually hold.

There's nothing wrong with supporting your own people and even favouring them. Brown didn't say that foreign workers would not be allowed, or anything like that. It's perfectly fine to support your own population and still allow foreign workers to gun for any job they want.

The BNP used the analogy of the Japanese Physicist, now that I don't agree with. That's just unfair because the immigrant is outright being told when and where they can work. That's not the same as what Brown proposed at all, he would allow immigrants to do any job they could get. Nick griffin would bring in an immigrant and tell them what job to do and not let them have the opportunity to do anything else.

And I bet Nick Griffin would seldom import labour, even if the country was falling apart at the seem because we've ran out of scientists and skilled labourers.

From my interpretation, British jobs for British worker meant that if, two people of the same ability went for a job the British person would get priority. If it was the case that he was putting the case forward that British people could go for any job in Britain and they would ahve an equal oppotunity of getting it as a foreign national then why even mention anything?

To your last point, if there wasn't such a underfunding of the school system there wouldn't be a need to get foreign scienstist and people in the first place. For way to long we have been having a worse education success rate than many european countries.



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Slimebeast on 01 May 2010

50,000 Pounds??

That's far too generous.

In Sweden the resettlement grant is £3000 (30,000 kronor) per person, and max £7000 for a whole family, for people that return to their home country voluntarily, assuming it's a hot spot where it's hard to establish a new life. There's currently 20 countries on that list, such as Iraq and Somalia.

(our resettlement grant isn't based on race of course).



Khuutra on 01 May 2010
Carl2291 said:
highwaystar101 said:

He doesn't say "none white" at 4:30 when he is talking about the long term resettlement plan, that part comes just before. If you listen from 3:30 she picks him up on the statistics he uses and shows he means none-white British, so essentially people of foreign lineage.

The resettlement plan is a further development from this conversation about how he has chosen non-white British in his statistics. He does essentially say it will be offered to none white Britons.

Also, remember, racism isn't just about skin colour, it's about nationality too. When he says non-white British, he means eastern Europeans and the like too.

And about the doctors part at the end. He says that for his own agenda. He's using the "they are needed in their own country more" argument as a way of essentially saying "I'm not allowing foreign doctors in". He has been pretty clear on his plans for not letting foreign doctors work for the NHS in the past, if a doctor came from somewhere like Israel where they are plentiful, he would still turn them away.

Thanks for pointing out what she was basing it on, i missed that bit.

Anyway... Who said anything about racism? Here's something for you to think about. If wanting a LOT less immigrants, refugees, or whatever... In this country (that aren't needed here) is classed as racist, you would find a LOT of the UK popultion are infact... Racist. Eek.

For his own agenda? Of course he did. It's a fact that proves his point. You see Gordon Brown, David Cameron and Nick Clegg do it all the time. And you can't say he wouldn't. You have no proof he wouldn't. If he says he would (and has done for a while), then you can't just say "he would still turn them away" just because you THINK he would.

Non-white British natural-born citizens would be included under this, you realize. Hence the land of their ancestors.



highwaystar101 on 01 May 2010
Carl2291 said:
highwaystar101 said:
Carl2291 said:
Carl2291 said:
£50,000 per person who wants to go back to there country is IMO better than offering a family of people a £150,000 house and benefits.

Plus, did HE actually say "non-white"? I don't see it in the article. In other articles it's not used... Not in the interview

http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_8650000/8650909.stm

... Nor in this video?

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3eb_1272563558&c=1

He actually makes some VERY good points. The Doctors point is a really good one, and fully supports the "Pay people £50,000 if they WANT to go back"

Well...?

Did he say it, or is it just the usual media word twisting?

He doesn't say "none white" at 4:30 when he is talking about the long term resettlement plan, that part comes just before. If you listen from 3:30 she picks him up on the statistics he uses and shows he means none-white British, so essentially people of foreign lineage.

The resettlement plan is a further development from this conversation about how he has chosen non-white British in his statistics. He does essentially say it will be offered to none white Britons.

Also, remember, racism isn't just about skin colour, it's about nationality too. When he says non-white British, he means eastern Europeans and the like too.

And about the doctors part at the end. He says that for his own agenda. He's using the "they are needed in their own country more" argument as a way of essentially saying "I'm not allowing foreign doctors in". He has been pretty clear on his plans for not letting foreign doctors work for the NHS in the past, if a doctor came from somewhere like Israel where they are plentiful, he would still turn them away.

Thanks for pointing out what she was basing it on, i missed that bit.

Anyway... Who said anything about racism? Here's something for you to think about. If wanting a LOT less immigrants, refugees, or whatever... In this country (that aren't needed here) is classed as racist, you would find a LOT of the UK popultion are infact... Racist. Eek.

For his own agenda? Of course he did. It's a fact that proves his point. You see Gordon Brown, David Cameron and Nick Clegg do it all the time. And you can't say he wouldn't. You have no proof he wouldn't. If he says he would (and has done for a while), then you can't just say "he would still turn them away" just because you THINK he would.

The people Nick Griffin is talking about are not immigrants, wanting a lot less immigrants has nothing to do with it. They are British people. As the woman pointed out, they are people who have probably never even been to the country Nick Griffin would pay them to go to. His sole basis is essentially to kick out British people with foreign blood in them.

I'm all for limiting the amount of immigrants from none EU countries and allowing them in based on what they can offer, and I'm not racist. Opposing immigration is not a binary state where those who oppose immigration are automatically racist. My view is not a racist immigration view. However "Keep them all out, they're all job stealing benefit cheating scum" is. Having an opinion on reducing immigration isn't automatically racist, in my example the former isn't and the latter is.

 

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All politicians have their own agenda, I could pick at them all day (especially Cameron), I'm not denying that they don't. But Nick Griffins agenda would ruin the NHS, could you imagine sending all those doctors home? Even if you managed to open up more University places to study medicine for people in A-levels now, then you would still be here in seven years or so waiting for competent British doctors, while in the mean time the Non-British doctors have vacated the country and left the NHS grossly understaffed. And I am certain that he'll not allow an Israeli doctor, even in the interview you posted he said essentially the only immigrant workers given the chance would be the Irish and French.

His manifesto says third world doctors, but it's pretty clear he has a wider definition.

Nick Griffin is just a racist, he hates non-British people, he was a member of the National front for a start.



Carl on 01 May 2010
Khuutra said:
Carl2291 said:
highwaystar101 said:

He doesn't say "none white" at 4:30 when he is talking about the long term resettlement plan, that part comes just before. If you listen from 3:30 she picks him up on the statistics he uses and shows he means none-white British, so essentially people of foreign lineage.

The resettlement plan is a further development from this conversation about how he has chosen non-white British in his statistics. He does essentially say it will be offered to none white Britons.

Also, remember, racism isn't just about skin colour, it's about nationality too. When he says non-white British, he means eastern Europeans and the like too.

And about the doctors part at the end. He says that for his own agenda. He's using the "they are needed in their own country more" argument as a way of essentially saying "I'm not allowing foreign doctors in". He has been pretty clear on his plans for not letting foreign doctors work for the NHS in the past, if a doctor came from somewhere like Israel where they are plentiful, he would still turn them away.

Thanks for pointing out what she was basing it on, i missed that bit.

Anyway... Who said anything about racism? Here's something for you to think about. If wanting a LOT less immigrants, refugees, or whatever... In this country (that aren't needed here) is classed as racist, you would find a LOT of the UK popultion are infact... Racist. Eek.

For his own agenda? Of course he did. It's a fact that proves his point. You see Gordon Brown, David Cameron and Nick Clegg do it all the time. And you can't say he wouldn't. You have no proof he wouldn't. If he says he would (and has done for a while), then you can't just say "he would still turn them away" just because you THINK he would.

Non-white British natural-born citizens would be included under this, you realize. Hence the land of their ancestors.

How is offering (not demanding) people the chance to go to a country that needs them... Racist?



                            

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highwaystar101 on 01 May 2010
Slimebeast said:

50,000 Pounds??

That's far too generous.

In Sweden the resettlement grant is £3000 (30,000 kronor) per person, and max £7000 for a whole family, for people that return to their home country voluntarily, assuming it's a hot spot where it's hard to establish a new life. There's currently 20 countries on that list, such as Iraq and Somalia.

(our resettlement grant isn't based on race of course).

I know, right, £50,000 would make our country even more bankrupt. Even if such a scheme were in place, I would certainly want them to at least limit it to £2000 max. I'm not paying for an extremely foolish and ill thought out government to pay some guy £50,000 a year for moving to another country and living like a king.



Khuutra on 01 May 2010
Carl2291 said:
Khuutra said:
Carl2291 said:

Thanks for pointing out what she was basing it on, i missed that bit.

Anyway... Who said anything about racism? Here's something for you to think about. If wanting a LOT less immigrants, refugees, or whatever... In this country (that aren't needed here) is classed as racist, you would find a LOT of the UK popultion are infact... Racist. Eek.

For his own agenda? Of course he did. It's a fact that proves his point. You see Gordon Brown, David Cameron and Nick Clegg do it all the time. And you can't say he wouldn't. You have no proof he wouldn't. If he says he would (and has done for a while), then you can't just say "he would still turn them away" just because you THINK he would.

Non-white British natural-born citizens would be included under this, you realize. Hence the land of their ancestors.

How is offering (not demanding) people the chance to go to a country that needs them... Racist?

How is offering to let natural-born British citizens take fifty thousand pounds to leave the country for a place they've never been to racist? How is it racist for him to imply that the country would be better off if it was only white? How would it be racist to pay non-whites to get otu of th countyr, even if British culture is all they've understood or known?

How is it racist to talk to someone of African descent (whose family has lived in Britain for generations) and say to them "I will give you fifty thousand pounds if you go back to the jungle"?

I have no idea whatsoever.



highwaystar101 on 01 May 2010
Carl2291 said:
Khuutra said:
Carl2291 said:
highwaystar101 said:

He doesn't say "none white" at 4:30 when he is talking about the long term resettlement plan, that part comes just before. If you listen from 3:30 she picks him up on the statistics he uses and shows he means none-white British, so essentially people of foreign lineage.

The resettlement plan is a further development from this conversation about how he has chosen non-white British in his statistics. He does essentially say it will be offered to none white Britons.

Also, remember, racism isn't just about skin colour, it's about nationality too. When he says non-white British, he means eastern Europeans and the like too.

And about the doctors part at the end. He says that for his own agenda. He's using the "they are needed in their own country more" argument as a way of essentially saying "I'm not allowing foreign doctors in". He has been pretty clear on his plans for not letting foreign doctors work for the NHS in the past, if a doctor came from somewhere like Israel where they are plentiful, he would still turn them away.

Thanks for pointing out what she was basing it on, i missed that bit.

Anyway... Who said anything about racism? Here's something for you to think about. If wanting a LOT less immigrants, refugees, or whatever... In this country (that aren't needed here) is classed as racist, you would find a LOT of the UK popultion are infact... Racist. Eek.

For his own agenda? Of course he did. It's a fact that proves his point. You see Gordon Brown, David Cameron and Nick Clegg do it all the time. And you can't say he wouldn't. You have no proof he wouldn't. If he says he would (and has done for a while), then you can't just say "he would still turn them away" just because you THINK he would.

Non-white British natural-born citizens would be included under this, you realize. Hence the land of their ancestors.

How is offering (not demanding) people the chance to go to a country that needs them... Racist?

Black Briton = Offered free money for leaving.

White Briton = Not offered free money for leaving.

 

I'm afraid that I can't see how it is not racist.

The fact that it's voluntary means nothing.



Slimebeast on 01 May 2010

@highwaystar

lol its not 50k "a year".



highwaystar101 on 01 May 2010
Slimebeast said:
@highwaystar

lol its not 50k "a year".

*blegh* Sorry, mistype.