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Carl2291 said:
highwaystar101 said:

Carl, don't try and pose a strawman argument in your very first sentence, it wont work. I never said that English people and foreigners were rivals, I was saying that in situations where violence may occur it is a wise situation to close some places like pubs, where violent behavior can be incubated.

In fact, I'm a little insulted that you tried make out as though I thought English people and foreign people should be rivals.

I'm just gonna answer to this part.

And i dunno if VGC is working yet, but i point you towards this.

"I'm an Aston Villa fan, when we play Birmingham City most pubs that attract football fans in Birmingham are closed to decrease the risk of violence"

In other words... You are saying it's the same thing. What other reason would you have to bring that up? St. Georges Day could cause violence?

@Khuutra
I guess we just disagree on it then. Oh dear. How sad. Nevermind.

Didn't you bring up the fact that St. Georges day could cause violence so the pubs were closed in certain areas where violence is likely?

I used another unrelated scenario where violence is likely to occur to show that the same precautions are made. I am not drawing a comparison between the two underlying causes of the violence for the two scenarios at all. I am saying that the solution to reducing the likelihood for violence is the same for a number of scenarios.

For all intents and purposes I could also draw on the fact that pubs are closed near protests for the same reason. Pubs are an area where violent behaviour is likely to be incubated when tensions are high. It would be just as accurate a scenario as the football one.

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No-one is actually trying to stop you from celebrating St. George's day, or at least no-one with any actual power to make you stop. I think it is a very sad situation that precautions have to be made to stop violence on St. George's day because a few small minded people want violence.

But I do agree that it is a good idea to make precautions because we don't want violence in locations and times where potential violence is high. We can't stop people wanting to be violent and that's sad, so we just have to try and make the probability as low as possible. It's sensible planning. Nothing else.

Your right as an individual to celebrate St. George's day still exists and is as strong as ever.



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Carl2291 said:
Khuutra said:

In which respect? Are you actually agreeing with the BNP here, that a person of different descent who is born and raised in Britain is not British?

Oh... No.

I just feel that someone who was born in a country has to have spent the a great deal of there life in that country to be a citizen of said country.

I don't think that for example... If a Spanish couple moves to England for a year and has a kid. The kid is born in England, then moves to Spain when they are 2 and spends the rest of there life in Spain. I do not think for a second that they are English just because they were born in England.

That has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the topic at hand.



highwaystar101 said:
Carl2291 said:
highwaystar101 said:

Carl, don't try and pose a strawman argument in your very first sentence, it wont work. I never said that English people and foreigners were rivals, I was saying that in situations where violence may occur it is a wise situation to close some places like pubs, where violent behavior can be incubated.

In fact, I'm a little insulted that you tried make out as though I thought English people and foreign people should be rivals.

I'm just gonna answer to this part.

And i dunno if VGC is working yet, but i point you towards this.

"I'm an Aston Villa fan, when we play Birmingham City most pubs that attract football fans in Birmingham are closed to decrease the risk of violence"

In other words... You are saying it's the same thing. What other reason would you have to bring that up? St. Georges Day could cause violence?

@Khuutra
I guess we just disagree on it then. Oh dear. How sad. Nevermind.

Didn't you bring up the fact that St. Georges day could cause violence so the pubs were closed in certain areas where violence is likely?

I used another unrelated scenario where violence is likely to occur to show that the same precautions are made. I am not drawing a comparison between the two underlying causes of the violence for the two scenarios at all. I am saying that the solution to reducing the likelihood for violence is the same for a number of scenarios.

For all intents and purposes I could also draw on the fact that pubs are closed near protests for the same reason. Pubs are an area where violent behaviour is likely to be incubated when tensions are high. It would be just as accurate a scenario as the football one.

No-one is actually trying to stop you from celebrating St. George's day, or at least no-one with any actual power to make you stop. I think it is a very sad situation that precautions have to be made to stop violence on St. George's day because a few small minded people want violence.

But I do agree that it is a good idea to make precautions because we don't want violence in locations and times where potential violence is high. We can't stop people wanting to be violent and that's sad, so we just have to try and make the probability as low as possible. It's sensible planning. Nothing else.

Your right as an individual to celebrate St. George's day still exists and is as strong as ever.

Why would violence be likely on St. Georges Day in Bradford?

Anyway, this isn't even on the topic as Khuutra said. It's just spawned from me having a rant about how shitty England is to live in.



                            

The_vagabond7 said:
He's like the british Sarah Palin isn't he? Bat shit insane, you know that he can possibly ever win highest office...but deep down you fear that he just might someday...

Criteria for Palin becoming US President:

1) Republicans win.

2) McCain dies (the guy was 72!)

Criteria for Nick Griffin becoming PM:

1) All of the UK except Barking explodes.

2) All Labour supporters in Barking explode.

3) All Conservative supporters in Barking explode.

4) All Lib Dem supporters in Barking explode.

Nick Griffin doesn't have the slightest chance of becoming Prime Minister. It's highly unlikely that he'll even become an MP.



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Carl2291 said:
highwaystar101 said:
Carl2291 said:
highwaystar101 said:

Carl, don't try and pose a strawman argument in your very first sentence, it wont work. I never said that English people and foreigners were rivals, I was saying that in situations where violence may occur it is a wise situation to close some places like pubs, where violent behavior can be incubated.

In fact, I'm a little insulted that you tried make out as though I thought English people and foreign people should be rivals.

I'm just gonna answer to this part.

And i dunno if VGC is working yet, but i point you towards this.

"I'm an Aston Villa fan, when we play Birmingham City most pubs that attract football fans in Birmingham are closed to decrease the risk of violence"

In other words... You are saying it's the same thing. What other reason would you have to bring that up? St. Georges Day could cause violence?

@Khuutra
I guess we just disagree on it then. Oh dear. How sad. Nevermind.

Didn't you bring up the fact that St. Georges day could cause violence so the pubs were closed in certain areas where violence is likely?

I used another unrelated scenario where violence is likely to occur to show that the same precautions are made. I am not drawing a comparison between the two underlying causes of the violence for the two scenarios at all. I am saying that the solution to reducing the likelihood for violence is the same for a number of scenarios.

For all intents and purposes I could also draw on the fact that pubs are closed near protests for the same reason. Pubs are an area where violent behaviour is likely to be incubated when tensions are high. It would be just as accurate a scenario as the football one.

No-one is actually trying to stop you from celebrating St. George's day, or at least no-one with any actual power to make you stop. I think it is a very sad situation that precautions have to be made to stop violence on St. George's day because a few small minded people want violence.

But I do agree that it is a good idea to make precautions because we don't want violence in locations and times where potential violence is high. We can't stop people wanting to be violent and that's sad, so we just have to try and make the probability as low as possible. It's sensible planning. Nothing else.

Your right as an individual to celebrate St. George's day still exists and is as strong as ever.

Why would violence be likely on St. Georges Day in Bradford?

Anyway, this isn't even on the topic as Khuutra said. It's just spawned from me having a rant about how shitty England is to live in.

I don't know why violence would be likely in Bradford to be honest, I'm going mostly by your anecdotal information of pubs being closed in Bradford. I didn't bring up pubs shutting in Bradford on St. George's day, I'm just offering rebuttals. I have said several times that I have never encountered violence on St. George's day.

Besides, I've seldom mentioned Bradford, I've been mostly talking nationwide.

I've read up on the situation and I've managed to find articles on closed pockets of very few pubs being closed due to potential violence in some towns. And to be honest the situation does not seem severe at all, it seems like a couple of dozen pubs across the country with a history of incubating violence are closed down.



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Lol, the BNP are contesting 338 constituencies.

http://bnpelectionresults.blogspot.com/2010/04/list-of-bnp-general-election-candidates.html

It'll be hilarious when most of those things on the right read "0".



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Kantor said:
Lol, the BNP are contesting 338 constituencies.

http://bnpelectionresults.blogspot.com/2010/04/list-of-bnp-general-election-candidates.html

It'll be hilarious when most of those things on the right read "0".

For comparison, how many are the big 3 contesting?



                            

I would guess all of them, which is 650.



jonop said:
I would guess all of them, which is 650.

Mainland parties don't contest all (if any, not sure) Northern Ireland seats, I think.



Kantor said:
Lol, the BNP are contesting 338 constituencies.

http://bnpelectionresults.blogspot.com/2010/04/list-of-bnp-general-election-candidates.html

It'll be hilarious when most of those things on the right read "0".

Just for comparison how many seats will the other pressure groups get?