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takkxyz on 27 November 2007

So... Is all Green Peace asking for information based on the assumption that Green Peace will always ask information from a company when doing some report on said company?

 

Edit: Is anyone here actually in or affliated with Green Peace that can answer this question? 



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Lingyis on 27 November 2007
Snufft said:
Lingyis said:

on the other hand, it's equally bad, if not worse, that GreenPeace decides to give them a zero. this is equally irresponsible from their part--feels like a power struggle, in that they try to show Nintendo what they can do instead of actually educating consumers and providing a fair assessment of environmental impact.

 

sensationalism--that's what they're going for. too bad really.

 

ps. actually, not quite sensationalism. i give up trying to come up with a word to describe green peace.


I would think Greenpeace tried to give a fair assessment of Nintendo by asking for information, and were thus denied the opportunity to do so. Greenpeace is only making what information they have available to the public so they can make a decision for themselves. Nintendo should have understood the ramifications of their decision not to give Greenpeace information.


 you said it--the ramification is that now GreenPeace can give them a zero and get some headlines for themselves.  exactly what attention grabbing organizations do--a responsible study would say data not available.

you can argue that green peace is responsible not to the method of study but the environment, in which case nintendo not providing material to the public could be viewed in some lights reprehensible and fully deserving of a 0/10.

 that's why i also said in an eariler (the post immediately above that i believe) that nintendo should have provided data.  apparently last year green peace did something similar to Apple.

as much as i dislike greenpeace's tactics, they do work from time to time.

 

 



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naznatips on 27 November 2007
Bodhesatva said:

I think we all need to stop laughing at this and realize its an actual problem. Even if the majority of the complaints stem from Nintendo's decision not to cooperate, that alone is a fault.

Rather than laugh at the issue, we should applaud Sony both for doing more than the average company on the environmental front, and encourage Nintendo to do more, even if that simply means "provide information to environmental protection agencies."

This isn't saying Nintendo is evil, it's just asking for improvement in an arena where they apparently aren't keeping up.  


Greenpeace is hardly a major environmental protection organization.  They are a radical and independant activist group which is in no way associated with any official worldwide environmental protection agency nor do they opperate under any UN approved restrictions.  Nintendo had ever right to refuse to give them information.  Criticizing a company for not helping Greenpeace is like criticizing democrats for not being part of moveon.org. 

If they wanted people to take them seriously they would have done their own research into the  production of Nintendo's products and tested them for any and all possibly harmful chemicals.    They also would have taken into account energy consumption and company environmental policies (http://www.nintendo.com/corp/faq.jsp#environment).  The list is a joke, and people absolutely should be making fun of it.



Dallinor on 27 November 2007

"Nintendo scored 0 because they threw the millions unsold GC in the ocean"

Man that made me laugh :D

It's odd that Nintendo signed up to be part of this survey, yet didn't give Greenpeace any details to work with. It's not good PR.



 

naznatips on 27 November 2007
Dallinor said:

"Nintendo scored 0 because they threw the millions unsold GC in the ocean"

Man that made me laugh :D

It's odd that Nintendo signed up to be part of this survey, yet didn't give Greenpeace any details to work with. It's not good PR.


They didn't "sign up" for anything.  No one did.  Greenpeace basically just emailed a bunch of elecronic executives with surveys and Nintendo refused to reply to them, which is understandable, and Greenpeace is not a legitimate environmental protection organization.  



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ItsaMii on 27 November 2007

I think Nintendo should use more ivory, baby seal skin and fur in their products?

On side note, I was surprised with Sony`s results. Great for them.



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ssj12 on 27 November 2007
ItsaMii said:
I think Nintendo should use more ivory, baby seal skin and fur in their products?

On side note, I was surprised with Sony`s results. Great for them.

that would be really nice ^.^ 



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mesoteto on 27 November 2007

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elprincipe on 27 November 2007
naznatips said:
Bodhesatva said:

I think we all need to stop laughing at this and realize its an actual problem. Even if the majority of the complaints stem from Nintendo's decision not to cooperate, that alone is a fault.

Rather than laugh at the issue, we should applaud Sony both for doing more than the average company on the environmental front, and encourage Nintendo to do more, even if that simply means "provide information to environmental protection agencies."

This isn't saying Nintendo is evil, it's just asking for improvement in an arena where they apparently aren't keeping up.


Greenpeace is hardly a major environmental protection organization. They are a radical and independant activist group which is in no way associated with any official worldwide environmental protection agency nor do they opperate under any UN approved restrictions. Nintendo had ever right to refuse to give them information. Criticizing a company for not helping Greenpeace is like criticizing democrats for not being part of moveon.org.

If they wanted people to take them seriously they would have done their own research into the production of Nintendo's products and tested them for any and all possibly harmful chemicals. They also would have taken into account energy consumption and company environmental policies (http://www.nintendo.com/corp/faq.jsp#environment). The list is a joke, and people absolutely should be making fun of it.


"Radical" group is right. Greenpeace are not much better than ecoterrorists. See here:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2003/10/19/EDGM82CQO01.DTL

"Greenpeace, Inc., and other nonexempt Greenpeace entities benefiting from these transfers have committed numerous acts of eco-terrorism."



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Rab on 27 November 2007

Ok some factoids

http://www.hardcoreware.net/reviews/review-356-1.htm

The Wii uses less power (less than 10%) to run than the 360, PS3 and PC

See Graphic here